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YouTube removes 'gender identity' from hate speech policy

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    https://nebula.tv/

    Lots of popular Youtubers are already there, and they strip the sponsor segments out of their content too.

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    The only way to pay for subscription is with a credit card, no thank you, my culture mostly doesn't use those and I don't have or want one.

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    • kolanaki@pawb.socialK [email protected]

      their ads platform ruined the internet

      Ads were the bane of the internet FAR before Google even fucking existed. lol

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      and yet somehow google made it worse. Not only are there more ads than ever before, but now it's also a panopticon.

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        yeah thats such a you problem, I cant believe he's complaining about nazis being default on YouTube, that's such an isolated problem that only affects him, and why would anyone complain about nazis anyway aren't they the good guys? - you, apparently

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        They are shooting themself in the foot by not letting the algorithm do its job.

        I did not say nazis are the good guys. Don't put words in my mouth.

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          Man this whole anticipatory compliance with the fascist regime shit is fucking awful

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            I will never understand people who identify as leftist that refuse to understand that under our current economic model people require money to survive and if they do not get money for doing their creative work they might not be able to continue making that work.

            It is not selfish to want to be payed for working on something like a video that in some cases takes hundreds of man hours of work to complete. There is a reason that the quality of content available on youtube has gone up massively. Say what you want about the writing but there is no way that something like helluva boss could ever have been made entirely online before youtube.

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            It is not selfish to want to be payed for working on something like a video that in some cases takes hundreds of man hours of work to complete

            Yes, it is, if your desire to get paid causes you to remain on corporate-controlled social media, to the detriment of society.

            Not to mention, plenty of people can and do put hundreds of hours of work into projects that they don't ask for payment for.

            "Content creators" who get paid through advertisements are class traitors whose interests are aligned with the capitalist class. They will fuck over society to make a buck for themselves.

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              While I hate Google, this seems like one of those much ados over nothing. They specifically mention 'sex, gender, or sexual orientation', which to most reasonable people would cover gender identity.

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              "Gender" means nothing without context. By a MAGAs definition of gender this policy doesn't protect trans people, for example. We don't know how this rule will be interpreted in practice. Even if you don't consider the intent behind making this change, this is objectively a weaker guarantee of protection than what we had with "gender identity and expression".

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                "Gender" means nothing without context. By a MAGAs definition of gender this policy doesn't protect trans people, for example. We don't know how this rule will be interpreted in practice. Even if you don't consider the intent behind making this change, this is objectively a weaker guarantee of protection than what we had with "gender identity and expression".

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                This is not a legal contract, it's a general guideline for users about what is or isn't acceptable. The intent and spirit of the terms are clear, the only question is whether Google will enforce them not. If the enforcement is crappy, like what Facebook is famous for, it doesn't matter a damn what exact terminology they use in the guidelines.

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                  While I hate Google, this seems like one of those much ados over nothing. They specifically mention 'sex, gender, or sexual orientation', which to most reasonable people would cover gender identity.

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                  What matters is how this affects enforcement.

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                    It's time to boycott Google as well now hu? Already ditched their search engine and moved to kagi

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                    • C [email protected]

                      https://nebula.tv/

                      Lots of popular Youtubers are already there, and they strip the sponsor segments out of their content too.

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                      I refuse to support them after they kicked Second Thought off the platform for supporting Palestinians over the GDF

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                      • snotflickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zoneS [email protected]

                        Most of them are literally Nazis. Anytime I go to youtube and finish a video all the suggested videos to watch after are obscene "anti-woke" trash.

                        The youtube to right-wing pipeline is real.

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                        Jubilee is a part of the same pipeline. See this for example.

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                          Still not that great, I rely on the companion to redirect me to channels through YouTube.

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                          Yeah best we have right now is subscribing to the lemmy/piefed communities like /c/peertube and seeing what you like. For better or for worse, there is no algorithm. Moreso in peertube than others.

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                            It's almost impressive how quickly the whole of the business world capitulated to Donald Trump.

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                              Man this whole anticipatory compliance with the fascist regime shit is fucking awful

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                              Welcome to how the world has always worked and always will. There's gin to help wash the black pill down.

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                                I'm not in favor of YouTube, but what exactly missing here?

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                                It used to say gender expression and identity. If it doesn't, that's a deliberate decision that could cause enforcement calls like 'well that's not your REAL gender so this isn't harassment'.

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                                  What matters is how this affects enforcement.

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                                  It doesn't. It's not like this page gets used internally. They have their own internal guidelines for that.

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                                    First reddit now youtube. Welcome to the tech broligarchy

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                                      It's time to boycott Google as well now hu? Already ditched their search engine and moved to kagi

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                                      Boycotts are performative stunts that feel good but don't have impact on companies and even gets more attention ON those companies.

                                      No really, this is a phenomenon that's known. When people were protesting Blizzard, I swear to fucking god, people I knew for years who hadn't played WoW since they were kids suddenly decided to reactivate their accounts because all the talk about blizzard "made them nostalgic" and despite being sympathetic to the people hurt by the company, they simply didn't have the mental value-system to draw lines between those two things. Their own desires to escape and recapture youth was far, far stronger than the social messaging they honestly just felt was finger-wagging and parental scolding, so they rejected the idea of protesting without conscious thought.

                                      If we put that much energy into volunteering with groups raising funds for primaries, getting to know our neighbors and forming communities, we would abolish this fascist empire in a single election cycle. (Assuming we have elections again.)

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                                        Probably because no one is actually using any gender identity based bigotry any more. So they might as well just remove it, it saves space. /s

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                                          Boycotts are performative stunts that feel good but don't have impact on companies and even gets more attention ON those companies.

                                          No really, this is a phenomenon that's known. When people were protesting Blizzard, I swear to fucking god, people I knew for years who hadn't played WoW since they were kids suddenly decided to reactivate their accounts because all the talk about blizzard "made them nostalgic" and despite being sympathetic to the people hurt by the company, they simply didn't have the mental value-system to draw lines between those two things. Their own desires to escape and recapture youth was far, far stronger than the social messaging they honestly just felt was finger-wagging and parental scolding, so they rejected the idea of protesting without conscious thought.

                                          If we put that much energy into volunteering with groups raising funds for primaries, getting to know our neighbors and forming communities, we would abolish this fascist empire in a single election cycle. (Assuming we have elections again.)

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                                          Boycotts are performative stunts that feel good but don’t have impact on companies and even gets more attention ON those companies.

                                          No they aren't? People just haven't actually been pissed off enough to actually wield the weapon of "ok, fine, now I will not buy ANYTHING from you".

                                          Boycotts most definitely work, Tesla's stock is plummeting, and one of the major reasons is an aggressive and enthusiastic boycott of buying Telsas (also they suck).

                                          This isn't to say in any given situation a boycott is the best strategy to use, or that your organizing energy isn't better spent elsewhere, but don't dismiss boycotts when we are seeing one of the most effective high profile ones in recent memeory be VERY successful.

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