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YouTube removes 'gender identity' from hate speech policy

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    While I hate Google, this seems like one of those much ados over nothing. They specifically mention 'sex, gender, or sexual orientation', which to most reasonable people would cover gender identity.

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    "Gender" means nothing without context. By a MAGAs definition of gender this policy doesn't protect trans people, for example. We don't know how this rule will be interpreted in practice. Even if you don't consider the intent behind making this change, this is objectively a weaker guarantee of protection than what we had with "gender identity and expression".

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    • patatahooligan@lemmy.worldP [email protected]

      "Gender" means nothing without context. By a MAGAs definition of gender this policy doesn't protect trans people, for example. We don't know how this rule will be interpreted in practice. Even if you don't consider the intent behind making this change, this is objectively a weaker guarantee of protection than what we had with "gender identity and expression".

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      This is not a legal contract, it's a general guideline for users about what is or isn't acceptable. The intent and spirit of the terms are clear, the only question is whether Google will enforce them not. If the enforcement is crappy, like what Facebook is famous for, it doesn't matter a damn what exact terminology they use in the guidelines.

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      • A [email protected]

        While I hate Google, this seems like one of those much ados over nothing. They specifically mention 'sex, gender, or sexual orientation', which to most reasonable people would cover gender identity.

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        #233

        What matters is how this affects enforcement.

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          It's time to boycott Google as well now hu? Already ditched their search engine and moved to kagi

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          • C [email protected]

            https://nebula.tv/

            Lots of popular Youtubers are already there, and they strip the sponsor segments out of their content too.

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            I refuse to support them after they kicked Second Thought off the platform for supporting Palestinians over the GDF

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            • snotflickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zoneS [email protected]

              Most of them are literally Nazis. Anytime I go to youtube and finish a video all the suggested videos to watch after are obscene "anti-woke" trash.

              The youtube to right-wing pipeline is real.

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              Jubilee is a part of the same pipeline. See this for example.

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              • Q [email protected]

                Still not that great, I rely on the companion to redirect me to channels through YouTube.

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                #237

                Yeah best we have right now is subscribing to the lemmy/piefed communities like /c/peertube and seeing what you like. For better or for worse, there is no algorithm. Moreso in peertube than others.

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                  It's almost impressive how quickly the whole of the business world capitulated to Donald Trump.

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                  • G [email protected]

                    Man this whole anticipatory compliance with the fascist regime shit is fucking awful

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                    Welcome to how the world has always worked and always will. There's gin to help wash the black pill down.

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                    • F [email protected]

                      I'm not in favor of YouTube, but what exactly missing here?

                      ![](https://lemmy.ml/pictrs/image/8b661cec-4db6-
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                      It used to say gender expression and identity. If it doesn't, that's a deliberate decision that could cause enforcement calls like 'well that's not your REAL gender so this isn't harassment'.

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                      • G [email protected]

                        What matters is how this affects enforcement.

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                        #241

                        It doesn't. It's not like this page gets used internally. They have their own internal guidelines for that.

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                          First reddit now youtube. Welcome to the tech broligarchy

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                          • mooncake@lemm.eeM [email protected]

                            It's time to boycott Google as well now hu? Already ditched their search engine and moved to kagi

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                            Boycotts are performative stunts that feel good but don't have impact on companies and even gets more attention ON those companies.

                            No really, this is a phenomenon that's known. When people were protesting Blizzard, I swear to fucking god, people I knew for years who hadn't played WoW since they were kids suddenly decided to reactivate their accounts because all the talk about blizzard "made them nostalgic" and despite being sympathetic to the people hurt by the company, they simply didn't have the mental value-system to draw lines between those two things. Their own desires to escape and recapture youth was far, far stronger than the social messaging they honestly just felt was finger-wagging and parental scolding, so they rejected the idea of protesting without conscious thought.

                            If we put that much energy into volunteering with groups raising funds for primaries, getting to know our neighbors and forming communities, we would abolish this fascist empire in a single election cycle. (Assuming we have elections again.)

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                              Probably because no one is actually using any gender identity based bigotry any more. So they might as well just remove it, it saves space. /s

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                              • A [email protected]

                                Boycotts are performative stunts that feel good but don't have impact on companies and even gets more attention ON those companies.

                                No really, this is a phenomenon that's known. When people were protesting Blizzard, I swear to fucking god, people I knew for years who hadn't played WoW since they were kids suddenly decided to reactivate their accounts because all the talk about blizzard "made them nostalgic" and despite being sympathetic to the people hurt by the company, they simply didn't have the mental value-system to draw lines between those two things. Their own desires to escape and recapture youth was far, far stronger than the social messaging they honestly just felt was finger-wagging and parental scolding, so they rejected the idea of protesting without conscious thought.

                                If we put that much energy into volunteering with groups raising funds for primaries, getting to know our neighbors and forming communities, we would abolish this fascist empire in a single election cycle. (Assuming we have elections again.)

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                                Boycotts are performative stunts that feel good but don’t have impact on companies and even gets more attention ON those companies.

                                No they aren't? People just haven't actually been pissed off enough to actually wield the weapon of "ok, fine, now I will not buy ANYTHING from you".

                                Boycotts most definitely work, Tesla's stock is plummeting, and one of the major reasons is an aggressive and enthusiastic boycott of buying Telsas (also they suck).

                                This isn't to say in any given situation a boycott is the best strategy to use, or that your organizing energy isn't better spent elsewhere, but don't dismiss boycotts when we are seeing one of the most effective high profile ones in recent memeory be VERY successful.

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                                  Boycotts are performative stunts that feel good but don’t have impact on companies and even gets more attention ON those companies.

                                  No they aren't? People just haven't actually been pissed off enough to actually wield the weapon of "ok, fine, now I will not buy ANYTHING from you".

                                  Boycotts most definitely work, Tesla's stock is plummeting, and one of the major reasons is an aggressive and enthusiastic boycott of buying Telsas (also they suck).

                                  This isn't to say in any given situation a boycott is the best strategy to use, or that your organizing energy isn't better spent elsewhere, but don't dismiss boycotts when we are seeing one of the most effective high profile ones in recent memeory be VERY successful.

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                                  Strikes do a lot more damage to companies. I think a lot of people mix the two ideas up.

                                  The last most successful boycotts were mostly ones you never heard of, and at least one you rather not hear of. We managed to get tuna companies to pretend to harm fewer dolphins in 1988. Before that is was things like the 1965 Delano Grape Strike and the 1955 Montgomery Bus Boycott. The most recent boycott that actually got a company to change its marketing and outreach was the Bud Lite/Dylan Mulvaney boycott by the anti-trans right.

                                  If you think you can get enough people as worked up about an issue as the chuds were about a single commercial featuring someone they were scared of, then by all means let's fire up all the engines and get boycotting. Otherwise, I would encourage people who work at these tech companies to start talking about unions and making change from the inside. But none of that does as much damage to a company as getting politicians installed who are already taking bribes from other companies. Yes this is a dark perspective, you're welcome to disagree but in my nearly five decades on Earth this is just what I've seen over and over.

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                                  • I [email protected]

                                    Why can you not give me a straight answer?

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                                    I'll say this.

                                    When I weigh the choice of handing over my personal videos to a company that is explicitly and actively going to use them to:

                                    • train and improve their massive corporate AI tools
                                    • develop their targeted ad platform (which is their real product)
                                    • build a comprehensive profile about me and my family

                                    Or

                                    Putting a NAS at a friends house, or paying a couple bucks a month for some block storage.

                                    I end up preferring the second set of options. It's fine if you don't, but don't pretend you have no idea that your personal videos and information are valuable to Google.

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                                    • V [email protected]

                                      I wonder if Tim Cook is there too. It would make sense for him and Apple to resist this at least somehow but...

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                                      Tim Cook is just as fucking evil as the rest of them.

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                                        Don't Be Evil

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                                        • S [email protected]

                                          I hated Google far before it was cool. I would feel vindicated if it weren't so damn overdue. They don't even contribute meaningfully to society. And I mean that about EVERYTHING

                                          Gmail is lame, their search engine sucks, chrome wastes resources, their ads platform ruined the internet, Golang fundamentally sucks, the emulation layer of android is so fucking wasteful, Material Design ruined digital creativity, etc.

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                                          What's wrong with Golang? Agrees on all other points, and perhaps this one as well

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