Plex now want to SELL your personal data
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I doubt they're thinking at all if writing a web address is too much lol
"Facebook dot what? Stop the tech speak, nerd!"
And yet most people will just type "facebook" into the omnibar in their browser and click the first result that google gives them.
Yes... A LOT, and I do mean a significantly plurality... have no fucking clue what a URL is.
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Jellyfin is basically as easy to use as plex within the same network. I’ve set up both dueing the past 6 months. The only big difference is that Jellyfin is much more of a pain to work through port forwarding.
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Sharing it with people outside your house. Added hardships if behind CGNAT.
I’ll edit this…sharing it securely outside of your house. Just port forwarding to the box and saying have at it isn’t really a great idea.
wrote last edited by [email protected]UpNp or port forwarding is the same way both Plex and Jellyfin work.
I don't know what makes Jellyfin less secure since they both work the same way for this as far as I can tell...
Can you be more specific about what makes Jellyfin less secure when it comes to UpNp/port forwarding?
In the case of port forwarding at least Jellyfin is open source and has more eyes on it so it's less likely for someone to zero day it and have at it unless I have misunderstood how each can connect off-network.
Furthermore the hash for your password is stored along with many others at a single (or relatively few) attack point/s on a Plex business server since it's a centralized business whereas this is never the case for Jellyfin.
Also this thread is about Plex literally selling your personal data so I don't really consider Jellyfin worse for exposing your personal data.
I'll take my chances with a single idiot who want's to compromise my poor asses tiny network versus an actual hacker who wants to compromise an enterprise businesses network that is storing thousands or hundreds of thousands of user credentials, data, and payment information (Which Jellyfin doesn't store even half of).
If someone hacks Jellyfin on my network -> They have my... media files? Maybe the hash of the one password I use there?
If somone hacks Plex on my network or anywhere - or the people they sold that data to -> They have my password hash, credit card number and probably my name that is associated to it, personal data that Plex is selling, etc.
TL:DR I think Plex is more likely to be hacked rather than myself and the outcome of Plex getting hacked is worse than if my personal Jellyfin server gets hacked.
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Seconded it’s not a no-brainer. I spent days trying to get it set up with Docker on two different computers and three different distros. It wouldn’t install, if it did install it had errors, if it would even open at all with anything other than a black screen. Hours trying to search how to fix it. I gave up and installed it as a standalone app on a common distro. Not as convenient, but FML it finally worked. Really felt like I wasted my time. Personally, this is the exact bullshit linux fanatics completely ignore when they insist on how great linux is vs whatever. I’ve got a shitload of patience, willpower and modest skill to try to get something like this working, but 99% of the population doesn’t. That’s why linux will stay on the back burner. And if it ever becomes just as easy as Windows…guess what? You’ll have many of the same problem as Windows.
I've definitely pulled my hair out with docker too. Banged my head against the wall for a couple days before finally giving up.
I'm not ridiculously tech savvy, but I've tinkered with Linux since I was young, daily drive it on my laptop. I'm not afraid of the command line, and I'm smart enough to search for help and guides when I need it.
But something about docker just breaks my brain. Maybe I'm too old and there's too much abstract thought required, I don't know. But I can't figure it out.
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I consent to Plex to: (i) sell certain personal information (hashed emails, advertising identifiers) to third-parties for advertising and marketing purposes; and (ii) store and/or access certain personal information (advertising identifiers, IP address, content being watched) on my device(s) and share that information with Plex’s advertising partners. This data is used to deliver personalised ads and content, ad and content measurement, audience insights and product development. Your consent applies to all devices on which you have Plex installed. You can withdraw your consent at any time in
Account Settings or using this page.Soure: https://www.plex.tv/vendors/
(Might have to clear cache)Can also read about the changes here:
https://www.plex.tv/about/privacy-legal/It's opt-in. Zero issue here.
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$165/mo. Under business contract.
Edit: No caps either... Last 30 days 11TB download, 175TB upload.
That's nice. I pay 28 USD for mine, so yeah, mines a better deal.
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That's nice. I pay 28 USD for mine, so yeah, mines a better deal.
wrote last edited by [email protected]Not without additional context it's not... Is your service 8gbps? Do you have SLAs in place? Will your ISP send you hate mail after using a mere 10TB of data?
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Yup the old one... here's the new one too... still unaddressed
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I've definitely pulled my hair out with docker too. Banged my head against the wall for a couple days before finally giving up.
I'm not ridiculously tech savvy, but I've tinkered with Linux since I was young, daily drive it on my laptop. I'm not afraid of the command line, and I'm smart enough to search for help and guides when I need it.
But something about docker just breaks my brain. Maybe I'm too old and there's too much abstract thought required, I don't know. But I can't figure it out.
IMO it was my hardware on the first tries. Not sure what your problem was, but after digging around I found something that loosely indicated that my hardware was too old or something - it didn’t play well with the onboard graphics or similar. But the second hardware set I tried it on was far newer, and after all the installation was complete I got a black screen. Every time. No matter which guide I used, no matter what dependencies I thought might be missing or whatever I tried to get it working. A hair pulling experience indeed.
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I'm not behind a CGNAT and that's completely free. I do pay for that IP to be static though, but that's only ~$6.50/month (USD).
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Not without additional context it's not... Is your service 8gbps? Do you have SLAs in place? Will your ISP send you hate mail after using a mere 10TB of data?
I don't need 8gbps. What would I be doing with that? My internet is not capped either. You're comparing a good doméstic internet connection with a business level service...
It's like saying your 10k build is better than a 500$ PS5 for playing games. It obviously is, but I can still play the same game.
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I don't need 8gbps. What would I be doing with that? My internet is not capped either. You're comparing a good doméstic internet connection with a business level service...
It's like saying your 10k build is better than a 500$ PS5 for playing games. It obviously is, but I can still play the same game.
Are you okay?
I didn't compare mine to yours at all. You're the one that said your 28 USD service was a better deal. YOU made the comparison. YOU asked for the details.
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I’ve had a lifetime plex pass for several years. Once I tried Jellyfin a few months ago it was all over. My “I’ll run both just in case” period lasted a week or two.
The downside is that Jellyfin will take more setup on your end, especially if you want to let other people connect securely to your server.
The upside is performance and responsiveness. Once I started using it I decided Plex had to go, even if I have to drive to each family member’s house to fix their shit. It was like moving between Linux and Windows, as far as one being designed to work and the other being designed to satisfy dozens of corporate KPIs.
Fortunately the setup for the end user is just as simple once your server is good to go. They just need URL, login, and password.
And since it’s all open source, there’s some fun diversity in clients. I use Finamp specifically for music, and there are audiobook focused ones.
There are a lot of people here who simply cannot be bothered to figure out remote access
A weird one i saw today was actually "jellyfin took too many resources scanning my library" and 'if it doesn't have an SSO my family won't use it'
I think a lot of people just enjoy plex better and will accept any minor inconvenience as justification. That's fine though. I'll swear up and down that apple products are not worth the convenience, either, but there will always be people who simply like them more than others, and thats fine
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Just downloaded Jellyfin! Been a Plex user for years. Noticed they’ve stated to add a lot of crap to the Plex interface. I just want to stream my media library. I’m a little disappointed that Jellyfin doesn’t have a native Apple TV app, but SenPlayer looks really nice and their price model is a one time fee. So no subscriptions!
wrote last edited by [email protected]There is a native Apple TV app, I didn't migrate from plex until there was and I migrated over 18 months ago. It's called Swiftfin.
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There is a native Apple TV app, I didn't migrate from plex until there was and I migrated over 18 months ago. It's called Swiftfin.
Ohhh I did see that but the name threw me. Didn’t realize that’s the official app
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Ohhh I did see that but the name threw me. Didn’t realize that’s the official app
Yeah it's a little strange. Swift is Apple's own programming language, and there was an older Jellyfin app on iOS that didn't use it and so wasn't fully "native" in a similar way to how most social media apps are just a web browser.
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It's not hard to find out what's being pirated, BitTorrent isn't private.
It is when you use a private tracker and disable DHT, Local Peer Discovery and Peer Exchange.
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UpNp or port forwarding is the same way both Plex and Jellyfin work.
I don't know what makes Jellyfin less secure since they both work the same way for this as far as I can tell...
Can you be more specific about what makes Jellyfin less secure when it comes to UpNp/port forwarding?
In the case of port forwarding at least Jellyfin is open source and has more eyes on it so it's less likely for someone to zero day it and have at it unless I have misunderstood how each can connect off-network.
Furthermore the hash for your password is stored along with many others at a single (or relatively few) attack point/s on a Plex business server since it's a centralized business whereas this is never the case for Jellyfin.
Also this thread is about Plex literally selling your personal data so I don't really consider Jellyfin worse for exposing your personal data.
I'll take my chances with a single idiot who want's to compromise my poor asses tiny network versus an actual hacker who wants to compromise an enterprise businesses network that is storing thousands or hundreds of thousands of user credentials, data, and payment information (Which Jellyfin doesn't store even half of).
If someone hacks Jellyfin on my network -> They have my... media files? Maybe the hash of the one password I use there?
If somone hacks Plex on my network or anywhere - or the people they sold that data to -> They have my password hash, credit card number and probably my name that is associated to it, personal data that Plex is selling, etc.
TL:DR I think Plex is more likely to be hacked rather than myself and the outcome of Plex getting hacked is worse than if my personal Jellyfin server gets hacked.
With a fresh install of Plex you can still connect to it remotely…with no ports open. It will use Plex’s relay service to make the connection. That has limited bandwidth so it’s rarely anybody’s long term choice but it works right out of the box.
If you do choose to open a port then Plex partnered with Let’s Encrypt and Digicert to setup and maintain all the certs for you. So at least your connections are encrypted provided you use one of the many apps that support secure connections.
Is that the most secure way to run Plex? No. But it’s a couple steps in the right direction for basically zero effort on the server admin and users part.
You might not like the centralized auth of Plex but I don’t have to manage user accounts/passwords for people and deal with distributing them. Just send an invite to their email, they set it all up, and I never need to know about it. They forgot a password?…I never need to know about it.
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I think people feel loyalty to Plex and I understand why. I even understand why they're charging for self-hosting considering their costs of delivering the dynamic DNS, software development, content info, etc. But being closed source, VC funded, and with their core product an increasingly small part of their business, it's all a powerful recipe for enshittification. Tech Altar has talked before about how enthusiast brands often betray their users. Jellyfin was not a trivial set up for remote access, but I've really been happy with it, and I like having the peace of mind of having control over how it works
wrote last edited by [email protected]I got concerned when people started buying Plex hats. And being excited about that purchase.
I noticed that Logo on Hats people who are willing to pay for them is often a bit concerning.
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This is specifically related to watching their free content. You can opt out of the sale & sharing of said data, which is used to play you targeted ads when watching their free content. I am not a big fan, but this is the typical "free" TV spiel. Was there something that changed recently or is it just being recognized now?
It's the recent "We all hate Plex now" because they implemented a price in regards to the way we access content remotely because it was costing them too much to maintain for free. So anything that smells even remotely like they are trying to make money is getting the shocked and dismayed reaction. Usually followed by a dozen or so people talking about how they've ditch Plex ages ago for a truly free platform like jellyfin/Kodi/etc.
