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RFK Jr.’s FDA chief says diabetics should take cooking classes instead of insulin

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  • vandals_handle@lemmy.worldV [email protected]

    T2 is not just a lifestyle related illness.

    Some people are genetically predisposed and get T2 no matter what lifestyle changes they make.

    Some people have a damaged pancreas and develop T2 no matter what lifestyle changes they make.

    Some people with disabilities can't really change their lifestyle.

    The lifestyle change first regimen without medication would kill many.

    I understand for many, if not most, the lifestyle change is all that is needed, I even advocate lifestyle changes in another comment. I spent 5 years on an organization committee for the ADA's tour de cure and have given presentations on the ADA's Choose your plate, nutrition for life. You don't need to convince me lifestyle changes are important.

    I also know many people that developed T2 in spite of a healthy lifestyle. I know people that would be dead if not for their medications because T2 is not just a lifestyle related illness.

    Again T2 is not just a lifestyle related illness.

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    T2 is not just a lifestyle related illness.

    I'm not going to argue this, because I'm repeating what health orgs, researchers, universities, and governments say.

    Are meds needed by some? Yes.

    Are meds needed for everyone? Research says no, but only if lifestyle is improved.

    As one example, obesity is strongly correlated with type-2 diabetes risk. Even just reducing your weight can reduce the amount of insulin you need. That's a good thing. That's in addition to other benefits gained from reducing your weight.

    If doctors aren't making this message clear, and if people aren't giving affordable, accessible means to improve their health, then society has failed those people.

    There are no downsides to living a healthy lifestyle. Even if you still get sick, your chances of having a better outcome are greater, so we must start there.

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      T2 is not just a lifestyle related illness.

      I'm not going to argue this, because I'm repeating what health orgs, researchers, universities, and governments say.

      Are meds needed by some? Yes.

      Are meds needed for everyone? Research says no, but only if lifestyle is improved.

      As one example, obesity is strongly correlated with type-2 diabetes risk. Even just reducing your weight can reduce the amount of insulin you need. That's a good thing. That's in addition to other benefits gained from reducing your weight.

      If doctors aren't making this message clear, and if people aren't giving affordable, accessible means to improve their health, then society has failed those people.

      There are no downsides to living a healthy lifestyle. Even if you still get sick, your chances of having a better outcome are greater, so we must start there.

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      All true except T2 is not just a lifestyle related illness.

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        You guys have chips in schools? Bruh...

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        I know someone said cheerios are cereal, which they are. But we do indeed have chips, or crisps, in our schools.

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          Cute, little Trump

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            Fascist could also try a bullet salad.

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              Well that would weed all the diabetics out of the American gene pool in just a few days. I'm not sure diabetics are the real problem though.

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                Basically now as a type 2 diabetic I cannot eat anything and I'm still at elevated sugars....

                Weight loss and a super low carb diet would work.... Maybe.... But if I even fuck it up for a week my sugars will be sky high again

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                Type 1 diabetics dont make any insulin at all. So as soon as you cut off their supply they start dying. 4 days should see them all gone. (I am type 1 myself)

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                  Angela Collier on diabetes "treatment" history

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                  • imadifferentbird@lemmy.blahaj.zoneI [email protected]

                    Cheerios are a breakfast cereal. Generally considered a relatively healthy one due to their lack of added sugars.

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                    My bad. I was thinking of cheetos

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                      My bad. I was thinking of cheetos

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                      Oh yeah, I can see how you got to "bruh" there.

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                        Isn't that not how diabetes works?

                        I'm an idiot about biology anything, let alone food and drugs, but I know that.

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                        There are several types of diabetes. It's a disease that keeps your body from turning sugar into energy or fat so it floats around in your blood corroding your organs and fine blood vessels, and can outright kill you with shock if too much sugar builds up in your blood. (very simplified.)

                        Type 2 is the most common, this where you don't produce enough insulin, the chemical that turns your sugar into power or fat storage. You have to both take care with your diet and constantly monitor your blood sugar, and you have to often take insulin daily to balance it. Some people have reversed type-2 with very rigorous diets and exercise, and some people at risk can avoid it altogether by keeping blood sugar low throughout their life, but if you have a predisposition to type-2, you may end up with the disease for life even if you do everything right.

                        Type 1 is where you body produces NO insulin of your own. Totally broken. This was typically a fairly certain and swift death-sentence before insulin was developed. People with type-1 are not people who have dietary problems or bad habits, they have organ failure which can be caused by a variety of things, usually genetics or other diseases.

                        These diseases effect all ages and all walks of life. Beware the next wave of propaganda that will depict diabetes sufferers as some kind of slobs who can't take care of themselve and it's their own fault for being sick. This is already how many people see diabetes. It doesn't help with the fascist goals that often people of color and non-white ethnicities and poor people are particularly susceptible to diabetes.

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                          Basically now as a type 2 diabetic I cannot eat anything and I'm still at elevated sugars....

                          Weight loss and a super low carb diet would work.... Maybe.... But if I even fuck it up for a week my sugars will be sky high again

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                          Ozempic is getting a lot of hype and criticism as the big "weight loss drug" of the century, but it's originally meant to help people like you who have insulin resistance. A doctor should be able to prescribe it under most plans far easier than if you were just trying to get it for weight loss alone. (you have to stay on it for extended time for it to really start working, and it will make you feel rather sick for the first couple weeks, but it goes away.)

                          I also hope you are getting actual medical care and prescriptions to things like slow-acting and fast-acting insulins, and drugs that help protect your heart and kidneys, organs that often fail from diabetes. Staying with a doctor's plan even if it's embarrassing or difficult will literally save your life.

                          If you don't have insurance, apply for state help. If you don't have that, move somewhere that does. It's that serious.

                          It's a massive hassle in life, but if you put the effort in you can live a long, full life with the disease. Get to know how carbohydrates work and start balancing your diet with more high-fiber foods, less processed foods and carbs like breads, rice or potatoes. Protein and vegetables are going to keep you healthy and alive. Daily walks are not going to help you lose weight by themselves, but they will help your body turn sugar into energy faster so that sugar doesn't sit in your blood corroding your organs, eyes and blood vessels.

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                            Well that would weed all the diabetics out of the American gene pool in just a few days. I'm not sure diabetics are the real problem though.

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                            They are just telling states that they're not going to subsidize medical care anymore. It's part of the push to do the *reverse *of nationalized medical care. This will be followed by a "yuuuge" new plan to pump federal funding into medical insurance companies.

                            This is corporate oligarchy everyone. It means you're not a citizen worthy of living unless you're profitable

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                              If they can't manage to trick the stupids into supporting Medicare cuts, then tricking them into killing themselves with dangerous medical misinformation is another way to reduce government spending.

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                                Ozempic is getting a lot of hype and criticism as the big "weight loss drug" of the century, but it's originally meant to help people like you who have insulin resistance. A doctor should be able to prescribe it under most plans far easier than if you were just trying to get it for weight loss alone. (you have to stay on it for extended time for it to really start working, and it will make you feel rather sick for the first couple weeks, but it goes away.)

                                I also hope you are getting actual medical care and prescriptions to things like slow-acting and fast-acting insulins, and drugs that help protect your heart and kidneys, organs that often fail from diabetes. Staying with a doctor's plan even if it's embarrassing or difficult will literally save your life.

                                If you don't have insurance, apply for state help. If you don't have that, move somewhere that does. It's that serious.

                                It's a massive hassle in life, but if you put the effort in you can live a long, full life with the disease. Get to know how carbohydrates work and start balancing your diet with more high-fiber foods, less processed foods and carbs like breads, rice or potatoes. Protein and vegetables are going to keep you healthy and alive. Daily walks are not going to help you lose weight by themselves, but they will help your body turn sugar into energy faster so that sugar doesn't sit in your blood corroding your organs, eyes and blood vessels.

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                                Absolutely. I am getting help since im just personally not able to keep up the required diet. It's practically impossible in America it feels like. Every restaurant is off the table and little joys in life would be out of reach.

                                Thankfully I don't need insulin, and after losing weight I've significantly decreased the amount of meds needed to keep my sugars normal, but just wanted to post to show people without diabetes that it's a disease, not something solely caused by just being unhealthy. Being unhealthy just makes the symptoms of the disease worse

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                                  Absolutely. I am getting help since im just personally not able to keep up the required diet. It's practically impossible in America it feels like. Every restaurant is off the table and little joys in life would be out of reach.

                                  Thankfully I don't need insulin, and after losing weight I've significantly decreased the amount of meds needed to keep my sugars normal, but just wanted to post to show people without diabetes that it's a disease, not something solely caused by just being unhealthy. Being unhealthy just makes the symptoms of the disease worse

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                                  Very glad to hear that you're working on keeping it under control. My spiel was for the sake of not just you, but anyone else reading this. I know it's hard but don't quit, particularly if you have people in your life who care about you.

                                  I was horrified when I learned just how many people don't even make an attempt to manage their diabetes, and the much larger swath who say they do, but are just half-assing it because yes, you are severely restricted on your activities, places you can go eat, family gatherings, etc. It's a huge pain in the ass and most people don't have the time or knowledge to modify their lives if they otherwise feel "normal."

                                  I have a friend of a family member I game with who is very overweight, she steals her father's ozempic to "take hits off once in a while" like it's a fucking vape pen. The father is bleeding through his skin and still won't take his meds or stop ordering takeout. This kind of nihilistic ignorance isn't uncommon at all.

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                                    What an absolute fucking retarded thing to say for insulin dependent people

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                                      They're all fucking weirdos and idiots if I had a shop I couldn't trust any if this lot to work the till alone. If they where poor they would have all died by now.

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                                        They are just telling states that they're not going to subsidize medical care anymore. It's part of the push to do the *reverse *of nationalized medical care. This will be followed by a "yuuuge" new plan to pump federal funding into medical insurance companies.

                                        This is corporate oligarchy everyone. It means you're not a citizen worthy of living unless you're profitable

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                                        I hope that California decides to withhold taxes from the federal government, and institutes universal healthcare. Maybe the blue states can have a compact to form a universal healthcare medical network between them?

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                                          I hope that California decides to withhold taxes from the federal government, and institutes universal healthcare. Maybe the blue states can have a compact to form a universal healthcare medical network between them?

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                                          That would basically be secession. It doesn't sound like Newsom wants to secede, if anything he seems to want to "play ball" with the administration. Our states are still deeply tied to each other and the federal government, a lot of the talk that's been going around about what states can and cannot do is misinformation designed to make us think we're not actually a "united" states. It's more attempts to sow disconnection from community and to promote radical individualism. United fronts can do a LOT of harm to a government trying to get away with nefarious shit.

                                          What will be more likely in the near-term future is states that have money and surplus will subsidize their own healthcare options. Which California already does to a large degree. But they may have to step it up as their citizens lose federally funded benefits.

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