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RFK Jr.’s FDA chief says diabetics should take cooking classes instead of insulin

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    How many cooked billionaires does it take to satisfy the proletariat?

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    As many as it takes.

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      Isn't that not how diabetes works?

      I'm an idiot about biology anything, let alone food and drugs, but I know that.

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      Certain types and situations of diabetes can be effectively controlled with a low (usually very low; ketogenic) carb diet and careful weight management. It doesn't apply to all or even most situations, which is why we use insulin.

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        Certain types and situations of diabetes can be effectively controlled with a low (usually very low; ketogenic) carb diet and careful weight management. It doesn't apply to all or even most situations, which is why we use insulin.

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        Also, vegetables have carbs, and you really, really should be eating a lot of vegetables for many reasons.

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        • vandals_handle@lemmy.worldV [email protected]

          Without medication some people will die, others will be permanently disabled. No amount of lifestyle changes will help them with out medication.

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          Maybe you are misunderstanding, or maybe I'm not explaining it clearly.

          With lifestyle related illness (like type-2 diabetes), the "cure" isn't medication, but a change in lifestyle.

          The prevention is also based on a healthy lifestyle, not a shortage of medication.

          Therefore, if you want to fix a lifestyle related illness, backed by decades of research, then the priority is to get patients to at least practice a healthy lifestyle.

          If you don't, then you're fighting a losing battle, and people will be dependent on medication for their entire life.

          That's not to say that medication can't be used during the transition phase to a healthy lifestyle, but doctors who only push meds are doing harm.

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            Maybe you are misunderstanding, or maybe I'm not explaining it clearly.

            With lifestyle related illness (like type-2 diabetes), the "cure" isn't medication, but a change in lifestyle.

            The prevention is also based on a healthy lifestyle, not a shortage of medication.

            Therefore, if you want to fix a lifestyle related illness, backed by decades of research, then the priority is to get patients to at least practice a healthy lifestyle.

            If you don't, then you're fighting a losing battle, and people will be dependent on medication for their entire life.

            That's not to say that medication can't be used during the transition phase to a healthy lifestyle, but doctors who only push meds are doing harm.

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            T2 is not just a lifestyle related illness.

            Some people are genetically predisposed and get T2 no matter what lifestyle changes they make.

            Some people have a damaged pancreas and develop T2 no matter what lifestyle changes they make.

            Some people with disabilities can't really change their lifestyle.

            The lifestyle change first regimen without medication would kill many.

            I understand for many, if not most, the lifestyle change is all that is needed, I even advocate lifestyle changes in another comment. I spent 5 years on an organization committee for the ADA's tour de cure and have given presentations on the ADA's Choose your plate, nutrition for life. You don't need to convince me lifestyle changes are important.

            I also know many people that developed T2 in spite of a healthy lifestyle. I know people that would be dead if not for their medications because T2 is not just a lifestyle related illness.

            Again T2 is not just a lifestyle related illness.

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              Isn't that not how diabetes works?

              I'm an idiot about biology anything, let alone food and drugs, but I know that.

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              Basically now as a type 2 diabetic I cannot eat anything and I'm still at elevated sugars....

              Weight loss and a super low carb diet would work.... Maybe.... But if I even fuck it up for a week my sugars will be sky high again

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                T2 is not just a lifestyle related illness.

                Some people are genetically predisposed and get T2 no matter what lifestyle changes they make.

                Some people have a damaged pancreas and develop T2 no matter what lifestyle changes they make.

                Some people with disabilities can't really change their lifestyle.

                The lifestyle change first regimen without medication would kill many.

                I understand for many, if not most, the lifestyle change is all that is needed, I even advocate lifestyle changes in another comment. I spent 5 years on an organization committee for the ADA's tour de cure and have given presentations on the ADA's Choose your plate, nutrition for life. You don't need to convince me lifestyle changes are important.

                I also know many people that developed T2 in spite of a healthy lifestyle. I know people that would be dead if not for their medications because T2 is not just a lifestyle related illness.

                Again T2 is not just a lifestyle related illness.

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                T2 is not just a lifestyle related illness.

                I'm not going to argue this, because I'm repeating what health orgs, researchers, universities, and governments say.

                Are meds needed by some? Yes.

                Are meds needed for everyone? Research says no, but only if lifestyle is improved.

                As one example, obesity is strongly correlated with type-2 diabetes risk. Even just reducing your weight can reduce the amount of insulin you need. That's a good thing. That's in addition to other benefits gained from reducing your weight.

                If doctors aren't making this message clear, and if people aren't giving affordable, accessible means to improve their health, then society has failed those people.

                There are no downsides to living a healthy lifestyle. Even if you still get sick, your chances of having a better outcome are greater, so we must start there.

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                  T2 is not just a lifestyle related illness.

                  I'm not going to argue this, because I'm repeating what health orgs, researchers, universities, and governments say.

                  Are meds needed by some? Yes.

                  Are meds needed for everyone? Research says no, but only if lifestyle is improved.

                  As one example, obesity is strongly correlated with type-2 diabetes risk. Even just reducing your weight can reduce the amount of insulin you need. That's a good thing. That's in addition to other benefits gained from reducing your weight.

                  If doctors aren't making this message clear, and if people aren't giving affordable, accessible means to improve their health, then society has failed those people.

                  There are no downsides to living a healthy lifestyle. Even if you still get sick, your chances of having a better outcome are greater, so we must start there.

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                  All true except T2 is not just a lifestyle related illness.

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                    You guys have chips in schools? Bruh...

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                    I know someone said cheerios are cereal, which they are. But we do indeed have chips, or crisps, in our schools.

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                      Cute, little Trump

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                        Fascist could also try a bullet salad.

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                          Well that would weed all the diabetics out of the American gene pool in just a few days. I'm not sure diabetics are the real problem though.

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                            Basically now as a type 2 diabetic I cannot eat anything and I'm still at elevated sugars....

                            Weight loss and a super low carb diet would work.... Maybe.... But if I even fuck it up for a week my sugars will be sky high again

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                            Type 1 diabetics dont make any insulin at all. So as soon as you cut off their supply they start dying. 4 days should see them all gone. (I am type 1 myself)

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                              Angela Collier on diabetes "treatment" history

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                              • imadifferentbird@lemmy.blahaj.zoneI [email protected]

                                Cheerios are a breakfast cereal. Generally considered a relatively healthy one due to their lack of added sugars.

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                                My bad. I was thinking of cheetos

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                                  My bad. I was thinking of cheetos

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                                  Oh yeah, I can see how you got to "bruh" there.

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                                    Isn't that not how diabetes works?

                                    I'm an idiot about biology anything, let alone food and drugs, but I know that.

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                                    There are several types of diabetes. It's a disease that keeps your body from turning sugar into energy or fat so it floats around in your blood corroding your organs and fine blood vessels, and can outright kill you with shock if too much sugar builds up in your blood. (very simplified.)

                                    Type 2 is the most common, this where you don't produce enough insulin, the chemical that turns your sugar into power or fat storage. You have to both take care with your diet and constantly monitor your blood sugar, and you have to often take insulin daily to balance it. Some people have reversed type-2 with very rigorous diets and exercise, and some people at risk can avoid it altogether by keeping blood sugar low throughout their life, but if you have a predisposition to type-2, you may end up with the disease for life even if you do everything right.

                                    Type 1 is where you body produces NO insulin of your own. Totally broken. This was typically a fairly certain and swift death-sentence before insulin was developed. People with type-1 are not people who have dietary problems or bad habits, they have organ failure which can be caused by a variety of things, usually genetics or other diseases.

                                    These diseases effect all ages and all walks of life. Beware the next wave of propaganda that will depict diabetes sufferers as some kind of slobs who can't take care of themselve and it's their own fault for being sick. This is already how many people see diabetes. It doesn't help with the fascist goals that often people of color and non-white ethnicities and poor people are particularly susceptible to diabetes.

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                                      Basically now as a type 2 diabetic I cannot eat anything and I'm still at elevated sugars....

                                      Weight loss and a super low carb diet would work.... Maybe.... But if I even fuck it up for a week my sugars will be sky high again

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                                      Ozempic is getting a lot of hype and criticism as the big "weight loss drug" of the century, but it's originally meant to help people like you who have insulin resistance. A doctor should be able to prescribe it under most plans far easier than if you were just trying to get it for weight loss alone. (you have to stay on it for extended time for it to really start working, and it will make you feel rather sick for the first couple weeks, but it goes away.)

                                      I also hope you are getting actual medical care and prescriptions to things like slow-acting and fast-acting insulins, and drugs that help protect your heart and kidneys, organs that often fail from diabetes. Staying with a doctor's plan even if it's embarrassing or difficult will literally save your life.

                                      If you don't have insurance, apply for state help. If you don't have that, move somewhere that does. It's that serious.

                                      It's a massive hassle in life, but if you put the effort in you can live a long, full life with the disease. Get to know how carbohydrates work and start balancing your diet with more high-fiber foods, less processed foods and carbs like breads, rice or potatoes. Protein and vegetables are going to keep you healthy and alive. Daily walks are not going to help you lose weight by themselves, but they will help your body turn sugar into energy faster so that sugar doesn't sit in your blood corroding your organs, eyes and blood vessels.

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                                        Well that would weed all the diabetics out of the American gene pool in just a few days. I'm not sure diabetics are the real problem though.

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                                        They are just telling states that they're not going to subsidize medical care anymore. It's part of the push to do the *reverse *of nationalized medical care. This will be followed by a "yuuuge" new plan to pump federal funding into medical insurance companies.

                                        This is corporate oligarchy everyone. It means you're not a citizen worthy of living unless you're profitable

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                                          If they can't manage to trick the stupids into supporting Medicare cuts, then tricking them into killing themselves with dangerous medical misinformation is another way to reduce government spending.

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