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a harry potter fan's guide to navigating pride month

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  • T [email protected]

    I think these hard line stances do more harm than good.

    My wife and I are active in not supporting any new things, but to talk about how you think it's morally wrong to even talk about the franchise is going to alienate a ton of people.

    I feel fine talking about it, and the memories I had with it. Because everyone I surround myself with is completely aligned that Harry Potter was meaningful when we were kids and also JK Rowling is a complete fucking asshat.

    This sort of purity testing has got to stop. If mentioning the name of Harry Potter marks someone as a transphobe who is equally as bad as politicians actively stripping them of their rights... The movement will never build a coalition.

    Saying that financially supporting JK Rowling is actively harming the trans community is a reasonable argument. Saying that talking about Harry Potter, even if you note that JK Rowling sucks, makes you an outright transphobe is not reasonable to me.

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    Too bad, trans people are more important than your pottertreats. If trans people say something is hurting them just stop doing it. Don't get into the nitty gritty of "how much harm does it do really?" make as wide a distance as you can to it.

    As for this specific instance its not even hard to see how it is harming trans people: talking about hp keeps it in the spotlight which generats more sales.

    Why wouldn't you purge the franchise that funds trans genocide from your life??

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    • M [email protected]

      Too bad, trans people are more important than your pottertreats. If trans people say something is hurting them just stop doing it. Don't get into the nitty gritty of "how much harm does it do really?" make as wide a distance as you can to it.

      As for this specific instance its not even hard to see how it is harming trans people: talking about hp keeps it in the spotlight which generats more sales.

      Why wouldn't you purge the franchise that funds trans genocide from your life??

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      #39

      This kind of hysteria is amusing.

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      • vantablack@lemmy.blahaj.zoneV [email protected]

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        Trans people: "this is doing harm to us please stop!"
        Cis: "Is it really though? Asking people to quit their pottertreats is just alienating stop being so dramatic!"

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        • J [email protected]

          JK Rowling is probably the most influential anti-trans activist.

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          The president of the United States is a pretty open anti trans activist and has made deliberate efforts to use being anti trans as a way to whip up his base

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          • explodicle@sh.itjust.worksE [email protected]

            That's still boosting the cultural impact of her work. In some cases piracy increases total sales.

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            It’s basically impossible to be perfect, pirating the work stops the money from going to jk Rowling which therefore stops it from going to anti trans groups.

            Shopping at Home Depot hurts trans people
            Using Amazon hurts trans people
            Shopping at basically any big box store hurts trans people

            They are a heavily oppressed group and you aren’t able to live your life perfectly so don’t sweat pirating a game

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              JK Rowling is probably the most influential anti-trans activist.

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              Yeah I've got to firmly agree on that one. Her fame, and the fact that she created such a beloved franchise, gives her a lot of influence. Most people haven't heard of the likes of say, Posie Parker, especially outside of the UK.

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              • darkfuture@lemmy.worldD [email protected]

                You don't need to stop doing any of this.

                Just pirate all of it.

                That's what I did.

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                That's what I told a friend who asked if she should read enders game. Get it from the library or steal it. Orson Scott Card doesn't deserve your money because he's a shitty person.

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                • vantablack@lemmy.blahaj.zoneV [email protected]

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                  I’ll never. Ever. Understand being rich enough to enjoy the rest of your life and choosing to spend that wealth harming innocent people.

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                  • R [email protected]

                    Go read Le Guin's Earthsea books instead, which are genuinely better written, and LeGuin was a great person who wrote a lot of socially progressive literature. Not to mention that it hasn't been turned into a fucking corporate media franchise like LOTR.

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                    I mean there is a a terrible TV adaptation starring Iceman and Lana Lang as well as a beautiful but boring Ghibli movie, but I agree that Earthsea is amazing.

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                    • B [email protected]

                      The president of the United States is a pretty open anti trans activist and has made deliberate efforts to use being anti trans as a way to whip up his base

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                      I don't think he's as influential though. He has a wide-ranging influence over his base, but they already are full of hatred. She's able to say the quiet parts quietly a lot better, and I think is more likely to radicalise new people to her cause.

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                      • M [email protected]

                        Too bad, trans people are more important than your pottertreats. If trans people say something is hurting them just stop doing it. Don't get into the nitty gritty of "how much harm does it do really?" make as wide a distance as you can to it.

                        As for this specific instance its not even hard to see how it is harming trans people: talking about hp keeps it in the spotlight which generats more sales.

                        Why wouldn't you purge the franchise that funds trans genocide from your life??

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                        Amazing how you people can't even read a full post before having your aneurysm about trans allys not being pure enough for you

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                        • mojofrododojo@lemmy.worldM [email protected]

                          Just pirate all of it.

                          how can you enjoy it though? like, don't you get disgusted knowing you're consuming the product of a transphobe? fuckin gross

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                          No, frankly viewing anything I try to do for leisure through that lens sounds exhausting and depressing. Just do what you can to avoid financially supporting it, stealing it is fine.

                          I don't even particularly like Harry Potter either

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                          • princessnorah@lemmy.blahaj.zoneP [email protected]

                            I don't think he's as influential though. He has a wide-ranging influence over his base, but they already are full of hatred. She's able to say the quiet parts quietly a lot better, and I think is more likely to radicalise new people to her cause.

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                            I personally haven’t heard anyone go from being neutral to anti trans from jk Rowling bringing up a new perspective but instead have heard people from both the right and the left criticize her. Trump on the other hand radicalized the average bush era Republican into the MAGA cult we see today that is unafraid to openly show hate

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                            • bizza@lemmy.zipB [email protected]

                              That it doesn't disgust you to consume the media of an open fascist using her money to attempt a genocide is highly suspect

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                              To me this reads like one of those bad jokes on the expense of trans people in 90's media. Like how Ace Ventura has sex with a trans woman, then only after he learns it, he starts gagging and washing his teeth religiously and like pumping his face with a plumber; it's hypocritical.
                              You already enjoyed it, now you've learned something about it, it's suddenly shit and retroactively changes your previous enjoyment to disgust?

                              Perhaps you never liked HP, but practically the entire world did, before we knew how JKR will turn out. I'm not gonna give her a cent and previously used money for any HP related things like... 20 years ago, but I'm also not going to pretend they weren't meaningful to me or that her politics will retroactively change those feelings.

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                              • S [email protected]

                                Amazing how you people can't even read a full post before having your aneurysm about trans allys not being pure enough for you

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                                Why wouldn't you purge the franchise that funds trans genocide from your life?

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                                • vantablack@lemmy.blahaj.zoneV [email protected]

                                  https://cyberpunk.lol/@vantablack/114609145408193505

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                                  Why are Harry Potter fans so uniquely unable to let go and find a better franchise to support? I know TRANS people that Joanne could apparently deadname them and spit in their face and they'd still spend every disposable dollar they have to buy HP games, merch, and go to the amusement park again.

                                  Keep taking those tests to affirm you're still a Hufflepuff, I guess.

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                                    Unpopular opinion coming, but fuck it. Harry Potter was never great, besides being set in the modern day it's very generic and the movies were mid. some people will worship whatever JK Rowling breathes on

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                                    • M [email protected]

                                      Too bad, trans people are more important than your pottertreats. If trans people say something is hurting them just stop doing it. Don't get into the nitty gritty of "how much harm does it do really?" make as wide a distance as you can to it.

                                      As for this specific instance its not even hard to see how it is harming trans people: talking about hp keeps it in the spotlight which generats more sales.

                                      Why wouldn't you purge the franchise that funds trans genocide from your life??

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                                      I want to be respectful here, but this has a lot of issues embedded in it.

                                      This kind of rhetoric rises from what I've called the Authoritarian Left, which is an immensely detrimental wing. It's a group where there is no nuance.

                                      You say that if a trans person says it's hurting them I should stop doing it. OK, but what if a republican says it? Now suddenly I should ignore them? You can't base your entire ideology on what members of groups say or demand that others adhere to yours simply because you think you're right.

                                      I love trans people, and I actively fight for them and their rights. But why? I'll tell you, it's not because Democrats told me to love them, or a religious leader, or anyone in politics. I looked at the world critically and found their cause worthy.

                                      I'm a durable ally. I'll stick with it when it's not cool or trendy, or when it comes at a cost. But that's because I arrived at those truths myself.

                                      To loop all the way back to the premise - if talking about Harry Potter at all hurts Trans people, then this post hurts trans people. If you disagree with that, then nuance exists. And I'm saying in the nuance of how and who I talk about any topic with, I know and understand that those people understand the situation.

                                      I don't make public posts about Harry Potter. I often talk about how JK Rowling is a garbage person. My friends have a Harry Potter party that they've been hosting for years, and every person there is of a similar mindset that trans people deserve so much more than they are getting.

                                      You have to allow more than one idea in your head at the same time. If you're making the rule "talking about Harry Potter in any way, at any time, makes you an active enemy of the trans movement", then that's not a place I want to be associated with.

                                      If you want advice - focus on how JK Rowling is harming people. Elevate that as much as you can. When you make these purity tests, you make people not give a shit because it makes it impossible to adhere to the strict and narrow path you say is OK.

                                      This authoritarian left wing of democrats is what got Trump elected. They are so hard nosed on every issue they completely isolate people and make these issues harder to fight for, not easier. You're heart is in the right place, but we live in a world full of nuance, and the real trick is not scolding people into adherence, but it's coalition building and asking people to think critically about their choices. They have to find their beliefs, you can't just demand them.

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                                        I personally haven’t heard anyone go from being neutral to anti trans from jk Rowling bringing up a new perspective but instead have heard people from both the right and the left criticize her. Trump on the other hand radicalized the average bush era Republican into the MAGA cult we see today that is unafraid to openly show hate

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                                        I guess if you're not up to date with the politics of the UK that it would seem like he had a much larger influence than her. We are talking about trans politics only here, don't forget.

                                        To put it in a different perspective, look at how many people that don't agree with Trump's politics that interact with his businesses, compared to the same for JK.

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                                        • T [email protected]

                                          Honestly I only got the urge to watch the movies again because people on Lemmy wouldn't shut up about her

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                                          The books are good and the movies are good. Young people of the internet forget the kind of childish shit we had before Harry Potter.

                                          Also the movies have fucking Hans Gruber who tries to kill John McPotter and that was awesome.

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