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Middle Easterners deserve every bit of my sympathy
Jesus fuck talk about western chauvinism
for being unintentionally associated with that bullshit
Guess how many MidDle EasTerneRs are muslim? Also what about north africans? Central and south east asian people? Do you know how LARGE a group muslims are? That statistically there must be 100s of millions of gay muslims?? Quit with this Muslim=arab=Middle easterner="cishet brown person in a police state" bullshit, its racist.
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Being a bigot is.
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Because you're so fucking obtuse that you confuse the book with the religion, no one knows how to explain this shit to someone this fucking dense.
Edit: educate yourself on where the current extreme homophobia in the middle east is coming from
The first is the influence, directly or indirectly, of European powers in the region. In 1885 the British government introduced new penal codes that punished all homosexual behaviour. Of the more than 70 countries that criminalise homosexual acts today, over half are former British colonies. France introduced similar laws around the same time.
https://www.economist.com/open-future/2018/06/06/how-homosexuality-became-a-crime-in-the-middle-east
or more carefully studied in one instance here: https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/comparative-studies-in-society-and-history/article/homophobic-muslims-emerging-trends-in-multireligious-singapore/2B06C99F6DB951C400B24AC82C5BF2A9
the tl;dr is the current severity of the persecution of LGBTQ+ people in muslim countries stems from europe. Not from Islam. Because the stance of one of the largest religions, that is 1200 years old, on any topic has not and never will be as uniquely and clearly defined as you think it is.
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And the only time the Bible ever made mention of LGBT people is if you go all the way back to the Latin text where one of the people that Jesus healed was a soldier's slave where the word used was a type of male slave the Romans usually kept for sex.
And as far as I know, the Torah makes no mention of LGBT people either, but Hebrew supposedly has pronouns specifically for FTM people that expressly recognizes them as men trapped in the bodies of women.
When all this stuff was written, LGBT people were simply a fact of life that nobody thought needed defending because the two genders bigotry and homophobia came later as a package deal with the spread of European Christianity (and the problems with Islamic culture are the direct result of the US spreading radical Muslim propaganda, as mentioned before - it was exported out of the Middle East). It's not the religion itself that's the problem, but the people who use it as a shield for their hatred. Bigots will be bigots, and religion is just an excuse that they can twist to justify their actions. India has been having trouble for years with Buddhist extremists who are just as bad as the worst of the crazies in the US, and Buddhism is probably the most peaceful religion in the world.
It's like the 2nd Amendment and the US Constitution - old documents created in a different time with different problems being reinterpreted to justify modern hatred.
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lol you think Democrats lead the revolution.
My entire point was that they weren't doing so ...
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Islam is not a monolithic platonic form, it's the ideas of the people who call themselves Muslim. As people they deserve to be free from bigotry based on their innate characteristics. If you only allow for groups to be uplifted if they're perfect and free from sin, you will always be able to find fault and reason to continue oppression.
Islam is not a monolithic platonic form,
How about American Christianity or Orthodox Judaism?
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Because you're so fucking obtuse that you confuse the book with the religion, no one knows how to explain this shit to someone this fucking dense.
Edit: educate yourself on where the current extreme homophobia in the middle east is coming from
The first is the influence, directly or indirectly, of European powers in the region. In 1885 the British government introduced new penal codes that punished all homosexual behaviour. Of the more than 70 countries that criminalise homosexual acts today, over half are former British colonies. France introduced similar laws around the same time.
https://www.economist.com/open-future/2018/06/06/how-homosexuality-became-a-crime-in-the-middle-east
or more carefully studied in one instance here: https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/comparative-studies-in-society-and-history/article/homophobic-muslims-emerging-trends-in-multireligious-singapore/2B06C99F6DB951C400B24AC82C5BF2A9
the tl;dr is the current severity of the persecution of LGBTQ+ people in muslim countries stems from europe. Not from Islam. Because the stance of one of the largest religions, that is 1200 years old, on any topic has not and never will be as uniquely and clearly defined as you think it is.
1885 was 140 years ago.
Many of these countries have been independent for at least 70 years.
Why do they still have homophobic British laws?
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The law means nothing at this point
Yep, it's now pure power. Power dictates what happens and what doesn't.
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Middle Easterners deserve every bit of my sympathy
Jesus fuck talk about western chauvinism
for being unintentionally associated with that bullshit
Guess how many MidDle EasTerneRs are muslim? Also what about north africans? Central and south east asian people? Do you know how LARGE a group muslims are? That statistically there must be 100s of millions of gay muslims?? Quit with this Muslim=arab=Middle easterner="cishet brown person in a police state" bullshit, its racist.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]How many gay Southern Baptists are there? They might be in the 10 000s.
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1885 was 140 years ago.
Many of these countries have been independent for at least 70 years.
Why do they still have homophobic British laws?
Read the paragraph after
Second, the rise of Islamic fundamentalism in the 1980s coincided with that of the gay-rights movement in America and Europe, hardening cultural differences. Once homosexuality had become associated with the West, politicians were able to manipulate anti-LGBT feelings for their personal gain.
so it again traces back to the western powers who keep funding islamic fundamentalism as well as the population having such animosity towards the west because of what we did to them that politicians over there can just point at something, call it western, and people automatically assume it's bad.
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How many gay Southern Baptists are there? They might be in the 10 000s.
Yes every muslim across time and space is just like an american fundamentalist from today. You are a very smart person.
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Yep, it's now pure power. Power dictates what happens and what doesn't.
Always has been.
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Yes every muslim across time and space is just like an american fundamentalist from today. You are a very smart person.
The ones in power and a majority of the adherents seem to be.
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lol you think Democrats lead the revolution.
They do their part.
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Always has been.
True, but there was a layer of law below it. So there was at least some documented consistent process for which power was used for the most part. Now it's pretty much anything goes.
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Lol you didn't pay attention in history
Fun fact: We aren't living in the past. Modern Democrats have PROVED that they will not stand up to fascism.
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They do their part.
Yes, they do their part to help Republicans Waltz the US ever rightward.
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True, but there was a layer of law below it. So there was at least some documented consistent process for which power was used for the most part. Now it's pretty much anything goes.
I see what you mean, I agree with you.
