DuckStation dev dropping support for Linux
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jwz & Igara Studio S.A. had the exact same issue with distros maintainers, that they were forced to disallow QA testing and logging for distro related situations that really isn't their focus.
Distro makers need to dogfood their own packages, their own support system, and their testing, separate of the original software maker.
Analogy for commoners:
This is like asking a bidet seat maker to fix your entire toilet/bathroom.
Like no, get plumbers, workers, and a designer to make your dream toilet. Leave the seat maker alone.::: spoiler spoiler
You still got to clean the toilet every week.
Seat makers are not janitors.
:::My take on a better analogy:
The bidet maker is pissed because people complain to him that their bidet is leaking or has cracks. He's annoyed at a distribution/installation company because they fumbled, so he'll handle installation himself but only to the houses he approves.
Oh, and the bidets are free and nobody gets paid a cent.
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And you can't even fork it
From the looks of it the version most people use (the one that comes in package managers) was already forked awhile ago from the version the dev did allow to be forked, and the official version hasn't been used in package managers for awhile, because the second version was under a read only license and distros therefore couldn't package it.
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Explanation: https://lemmy.world/comment/18532107
tl;dr dude is a bit of a control freak
wrote last edited by [email protected]From the linked comment it sounds like there was a license change in the projects history. I'm surprised the various distro packagers didn't just collaborate on a renamed fork, unless there are more actively developed emulators still under a FLOSS licence?
Edit yep it was GPLv3 about 11 months ago: https://github.com/stenzek/duckstation/commit/7f4e5d55dbdef5a50e0aa4994f667fb03d854928
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Forking against the license wouldn't solve the problem of not being included in distributions though. No sane distribution would include the fork.
wrote last edited by [email protected]You could if you want fork from when it was GPLv3: https://github.com/stenzek/duckstation/commit/7f4e5d55dbdef5a50e0aa4994f667fb03d854928
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My take on a better analogy:
The bidet maker is pissed because people complain to him that their bidet is leaking or has cracks. He's annoyed at a distribution/installation company because they fumbled, so he'll handle installation himself but only to the houses he approves.
Oh, and the bidets are free and nobody gets paid a cent.
Sure I'll accept this analogy irt stenzek’s justified reaction. But this part is particularly wrong:
so he’ll handle installation himself but only to the houses he approves.
He doesn't 1) install, 2) approves any bowl, 3) or should he. He can refuse to make bidet seats any time, but prefers wașiki seats instead.
bidets are free and nobody gets paid a cent.
This is the damn crux
. GAMERS, PLEASE DONATE AS IF IT WAS REAL SOFTWARE YOU'RE BUYING. You don't know how easily you can solve this by having paid workers fixing all this. -
Explanation: https://lemmy.world/comment/18532107
tl;dr dude is a bit of a control freak
wrote last edited by [email protected]dude has a PhD and the social skills of the paper it's printed on
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Sure I'll accept this analogy irt stenzek’s justified reaction. But this part is particularly wrong:
so he’ll handle installation himself but only to the houses he approves.
He doesn't 1) install, 2) approves any bowl, 3) or should he. He can refuse to make bidet seats any time, but prefers wașiki seats instead.
bidets are free and nobody gets paid a cent.
This is the damn crux
. GAMERS, PLEASE DONATE AS IF IT WAS REAL SOFTWARE YOU'RE BUYING. You don't know how easily you can solve this by having paid workers fixing all this.He doesn't 1) install, 2) approves any bowl, 3) or should he. He can refuse to make bidet seats any time, but prefers wașiki seats instead.
He directly provides releases for Windows x64/ARM64, Linux x86_64/ARM32/ARM64 (in AppImage format), and macOS. He also explicitly forbids modifications, and since he considers "pre-configured settings" to be modifications, and this is basically barring any other distribution.
So while ultimately you're right in that he doesn't install it himself, he provides a super-simple "do it yourself" kit for people who live in apartments, while making anyone else who lives in a house have to assemble it from a million separate pieces themselves.
Note that I'm sympathetic, and I don't know what the solution here is, but hopefully everyone figures it out...
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Homie doesnt let you fork the shit to maintain it yourself. He made the problem.
Then it's not FOSS.
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The post says AUR builds are being blocked and soon Linux support will be dropped entirely.
Retroarch keeping the core anyway, probably not the best ps1 core even if it dissappear.
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License doesn't allow you to do it
wrote last edited by [email protected]This is a bit pendantic, but GitHub's TOS allows users to fork your public repositories, regardless of its license.
You couldn't modify the new code under the dipshit license, but you can do whatever you want to the slightly older code under the good license.
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Retroarch keeping the core anyway, probably not the best ps1 core even if it dissappear.
wrote last edited by [email protected]I prefer Beetle PSX (the non-hw version). Very accurate emulation, even compared to Duckstation. Not as great for enhancements, though.
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The post says AUR builds are being blocked and soon Linux support will be dropped entirely.
I think I've been using pcsxr for too long to care.
Is there anything that makes duckstation worth using over the other psx emulators?
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The post says AUR builds are being blocked and soon Linux support will be dropped entirely.
make free open source software
people repackage for their distros
get mad when you receive support requests for outdated packages
change license to prevent further repackages
Linux users continue using old version to avoid restrictive license change
Continue to receive support requests for old packages before license change
crash out
Am I doing this right?
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dude has a PhD and the social skills of the paper it's printed on
That's insulting to the paper.
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Who cares? The source is there. Do it anyways. DeCSS was technically illegal for ages in the US. VLC (not hosted in the US) still contained it to play DVDs.
"Not allowed" and "Can't" are two VERY different things.
There's a bunch of protections in fair use things that actually allowed or made that a very grey area, so end users could do it.
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From the linked comment it sounds like there was a license change in the projects history. I'm surprised the various distro packagers didn't just collaborate on a renamed fork, unless there are more actively developed emulators still under a FLOSS licence?
Edit yep it was GPLv3 about 11 months ago: https://github.com/stenzek/duckstation/commit/7f4e5d55dbdef5a50e0aa4994f667fb03d854928
I believe there is a fork from the last GPLv3 version called SwanStation.
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make free open source software
people repackage for their distros
get mad when you receive support requests for outdated packages
change license to prevent further repackages
Linux users continue using old version to avoid restrictive license change
Continue to receive support requests for old packages before license change
crash out
Am I doing this right?
Yes but be sure to be condescending through it all
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I believe there is a fork from the last GPLv3 version called SwanStation.
Better name at the very least
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The post says AUR builds are being blocked and soon Linux support will be dropped entirely.
Two things can be true at the same time:
- I am grateful you are using your time to develop free and open source software without gaining anything in return.
- Being pissed at people asking for support for something you didn't make, do not give you a free pass on being an asshole by changing your license
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He doesn't 1) install, 2) approves any bowl, 3) or should he. He can refuse to make bidet seats any time, but prefers wașiki seats instead.
He directly provides releases for Windows x64/ARM64, Linux x86_64/ARM32/ARM64 (in AppImage format), and macOS. He also explicitly forbids modifications, and since he considers "pre-configured settings" to be modifications, and this is basically barring any other distribution.
So while ultimately you're right in that he doesn't install it himself, he provides a super-simple "do it yourself" kit for people who live in apartments, while making anyone else who lives in a house have to assemble it from a million separate pieces themselves.
Note that I'm sympathetic, and I don't know what the solution here is, but hopefully everyone figures it out...
wrote last edited by [email protected]Ok, then I’m wrong. The seat maker prefers wașiki, bidets, and flachspüler seats, but bidet users are at most risk of losing support, because Arch bidets stop dogfooding their bidet hinges correctly.
Agreed on the last 2 paragraphs.
