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Valve seems to have quietly rolled out a major upgrade to their Anti-Cheat system and it’s apparently wrecking havoc on cheat providers

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  • R [email protected]

    The problem is existence itself

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    Go tell that to existence then

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      The problem is existence itself

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      🛺

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      • V [email protected]

        GTA Online does (did?) this, most cheating wouldn't get you banned and instead just placed in cheater lobbies.

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        Rockstar botched that system, I can attest as I used numerous different mod menus on GTA V Online, most well developed menus will let you alter yours (and others) in-game reputation by spamming the commend/report functions.

        Spawning in UFO’s an such was the highlight of GTA V Online for me, haven’t touched the game since I moved to Linux, I hear it’s broken due to the new anti-cheat.

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        • mr_madafaka@lemmy.mlM [email protected]

          https://www.reddit.com/r/cs2/comments/1ng6opf/1309_major_vac_live_updates_leaving_cheaters/

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          They will have working cheats by now. It really needs to be consistent effort to keep cheaters away.

          I think this is great they're doing stuff now though, keep it up!

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          • sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.comS [email protected]

            Wauughhh!

            Uaughh!

            Ahahaha!

            Cry some more, kernel anti cheat stans!

            ... cry some more.

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            I've yet to meet one that can outsmart bullet

            Brrrrrrrrrrrrzzzzzzzzzzzzzzraaaaaaaaaarahahahahahaugh

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            • B [email protected]

              I can only hope this affects TF2 as well. I used to play competitively and the line between cheater and god-tier is so blurry sometimes, especially with how hard it is to spectate now. The one and only time I was certain someone was cheating was when I tried to rocket jump around a corner and got killed by a prefired airshot from a direct hit, aka they couldn't even see me when they fired and still hit me 50 feet in the air the same instant I came around the corner.

              And of course their team wouldn't kick em because people still think it's impossible to cheat with projectiles 😞

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              i hope the same thing with dota 2, the game is already hard and made it harder with scripters

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              • ohshit604@sh.itjust.worksO [email protected]

                Rockstar botched that system, I can attest as I used numerous different mod menus on GTA V Online, most well developed menus will let you alter yours (and others) in-game reputation by spamming the commend/report functions.

                Spawning in UFO’s an such was the highlight of GTA V Online for me, haven’t touched the game since I moved to Linux, I hear it’s broken due to the new anti-cheat.

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                I'm glad I wouldn't play GTA anyway, even older games, for different reasons.

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                • paraphrand@lemmy.worldP [email protected]

                  That’s not the problem. The problem is people hacking software.

                  If we are talking about the software. The problem is the hacking of that software. I replied to a comment about the software.

                  The arms race is not the problem. Anti-cheat didn’t come first. The hacking of software did.

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                  Why do you hate property rights?

                  I'm not defending cheating in online games or interfering with Valve's service, but if you think the solution to stopping them is attacking "software hacking" in general as a concept, that juice ain't worth the squeeze. "Software hacking," fundamentally, is nothing more than modifying the operation of your computer, your property that you own. It's no different than buying a physical paper book and then writing notes in the margin.

                  If you're proposing disallowing people from doing that, you're attacking the concept of property rights itself.

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                  • B [email protected]

                    I can only hope this affects TF2 as well. I used to play competitively and the line between cheater and god-tier is so blurry sometimes, especially with how hard it is to spectate now. The one and only time I was certain someone was cheating was when I tried to rocket jump around a corner and got killed by a prefired airshot from a direct hit, aka they couldn't even see me when they fired and still hit me 50 feet in the air the same instant I came around the corner.

                    And of course their team wouldn't kick em because people still think it's impossible to cheat with projectiles 😞

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                    I'm not saying they definitely weren't cheating, but I have definitely hit some shots in my time that seemed impossible. If you fire enough rockets at corners that you think someone might come around, or in games with snipers that penetrate cover, take blind guesses through walls, you're going to get lucky eventually.

                    Edit to add: just saying, the line is blurry indeed. But I think if I got kicked over it, I'd be a good sport about it! "Got kicked for cheating because I was too l33t" would be such a good story. I'm sure some people have had it happen.

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                    • O [email protected]

                      I really hope valve can get VAC into a good space so it can be an example of doing anti-cheat well without having to be a rootkit. Looks like we're heading towards that point. Hopefully this change will last

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                      John Macdonald is cooking the best fucking server-sided anticheat with all that compute power in Bellevue. Lets see him become a master chef!

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                      • X [email protected]

                        The problem is people existing.

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                        • Z [email protected]

                          Go tell that to existence then

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                          dude i spend enough time yelling at clouds

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                          • E [email protected]

                            I've often thought that the cheaters should be simply shadow banned, and only match with other cheaters. Let them play against the other cheaters and see how well they do.

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                            I always thought there should be an "unlimited class" in the olympics where you can take anything you want. I want to see wildly drugged up athletes competing with each other.

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                            • mr_madafaka@lemmy.mlM [email protected]

                              https://www.reddit.com/r/cs2/comments/1ng6opf/1309_major_vac_live_updates_leaving_cheaters/

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                              Ha! Get fucked, losers. Cheaters ruin the fun for everyone, so I hope every last one gets permabanned.

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                                I always thought there should be an "unlimited class" in the olympics where you can take anything you want. I want to see wildly drugged up athletes competing with each other.

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                                Caaaaaarl, that kills people.

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                                • B [email protected]

                                  I can only hope this affects TF2 as well. I used to play competitively and the line between cheater and god-tier is so blurry sometimes, especially with how hard it is to spectate now. The one and only time I was certain someone was cheating was when I tried to rocket jump around a corner and got killed by a prefired airshot from a direct hit, aka they couldn't even see me when they fired and still hit me 50 feet in the air the same instant I came around the corner.

                                  And of course their team wouldn't kick em because people still think it's impossible to cheat with projectiles 😞

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                                  It's probably more difficult than you think, Shounic (Youtuber) explained in several of his breakdowns on the bot crisis about how far removed TF2 is compared to simplistic (mechanically) shooters like CS2, making it much harder to create a VACnet style solution.

                                  It's believed that the update that removed the bots was more of a manual approach.

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                                  • mr_madafaka@lemmy.mlM [email protected]

                                    https://www.reddit.com/r/cs2/comments/1ng6opf/1309_major_vac_live_updates_leaving_cheaters/

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                                    Hypothesis: people who cheat in video games are scum bags in other aspects of life. I wonder if anyone's done a study on that. I feel like the kind of person who has to cheat in video games is a broken sad sack.

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                                    • mr_madafaka@lemmy.mlM [email protected]

                                      https://www.reddit.com/r/cs2/comments/1ng6opf/1309_major_vac_live_updates_leaving_cheaters/

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                                      It's possible that Adwaita for Steam causing VAC issues now. I suddenly started getting VAC warnings on CS2 and it didn't go until disabling Adwaita for Steam.

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                                      • mr_madafaka@lemmy.mlM [email protected]

                                        https://www.reddit.com/r/cs2/comments/1ng6opf/1309_major_vac_live_updates_leaving_cheaters/

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                                        Nice.

                                        The cheating bastards need to git gud.

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                                        • J [email protected]

                                          Hypothesis: people who cheat in video games are scum bags in other aspects of life. I wonder if anyone's done a study on that. I feel like the kind of person who has to cheat in video games is a broken sad sack.

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                                          I will accept this as truth without further examination. It' such selfish, antisocial behavior that there MUST be something wrong with them.

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