What tech skills are needed to host Fediverse platforms for a community of people?

[evkob@lemmy.ca]

None of my selfhosted stuff is available to the public internet, I run everything through Wireguard. However I do know how to get SSL certificates from Let's Encrypt because of previous messing around.

Backups is definitely something that I'm lazy about with my selfhosting that I'd need to address for a public service. I currently just manually copy over the few essential files I have to my server, my desktop and my phone. If I commit to hosting stuff for others, proper backups are definitely at the top of the priority list.

Governance is something I've already thought a lot about, since these services would be aimed at a specific minority community.

Thanks for your comment! I'm currently messing about with Hugo to build a landing page to explain decentralized, federated servers and link to services I might host in the future. I really want to do this, I don't want to just accept that the common communication platforms are controlled by American fascists.

[rikudou@lemmings.world]

Feel free to hit me up if you need some assistance with setting it up, I can help with the initial setup, making sure it's secure and setting up backups.

[povoq@slrpnk.net]

There are some self-help chats (usually on Discord, IRC or Matrix) with other admins that you should join to get a feel of what typical problems arise and how to fix them. But it is usually not that much of a deal and you seem to be already on a good way.

Specifically for ActivityPub and other federated services it is important to know that even if there are only few people using your server the remote federated activities can have a quite significant impact on the performance of your server and RAM/Storage requirements.

Remote federated servers also usually "remember" who they talked to via special cryptographic keys and so on, meaning that if something goes wrong for some reason it might not always be possible to just delete everything from scratch and start new on the same domain as the remote servers will refuse to talk to your "new" server. Just something to keep in mind.

[cyborganism@lemmy.ca]

Would you simply host for yourself or for others?

The issue I have with self-hosting is that the day something goes wrong, you lose your account along with all your posts. And if you host for others, they also lose all of theirs.

I know this isn't the answer you were looking for. But I have the knowledge to self host and all. I have 17 years of experience as a Linux sysadmin, a software developer and now a DevOps specialist. And I honestly don't want to bother because of the responsibility. However, there are organizations and non-profits who have the resources to host stable long-running instances. But they need money. So I donate to the instances I use instead.

But it you REALLY want to learn, start learning about Linux web servers, databases, networking, containerization (Docker), orchestration (Kubernetes) and a good bit of cybersecurity. Hosting stuff on your laptop is a good start.

[caos@feddit.org]

There's also Managed Hosting: Hosting a Fediverse instance (a list of providers): "However, there are hosting companies that can take care of the installation and technical maintenance for you. You get a pre-installed application, mainly Mastodon, which is also technically maintained. You yourself are an admin and can do some things in the application’s admin menu, such as manage your own users. This way, you can also allow a larger group of people to access the Fediverse."

[blaze@lemmy.dbzer0.com]

https://communick.com/packages

[caos@feddit.org]

Are you sure this is a serious offer?
This seems suspicious to me: "If you do not want or do not care about having your own server, but still want to be part of the fediverse. With these service packages you get an account at our flagship instances at a low cost. Share a group package with your friends and make it even cheaper!"

Do I understand correctly that you have to pay 29.99 just to get an account on mastodon.social? or how is it to be understood?

[magnus919@lemmy.brandyapple.com]

I'm very comfortable in Docker and honestly most of the software out there in the Fediverse is weird. Like they make containerized deployments much more convoluted than they are supposed to be.

GoToSocial is maybe the least bad that I've tried so far. Most of the more popular ones are, IMO, really really bad on this front.

I've had their Stans counter this but then they point me to the process that they followed and it's like something out of a Hogwart's spell book compared to what most self hosted containerized apps are like.

[evkob@lemmy.ca]

Hey sorry for the late reply, I just wanted to say I really appreciate your perspective here! It's definitely made me simmer down a bit instead of jumping in head first. I'll try it out for myself and a few friends first before trying to recruit everyone I know

Part of why I want to do this is that I do want to learn more about all the stuff you mentioned (except Kubernetes, gosh everytime I look up documentation for it I drown in a swarm of terminology).

As who very much doesn't work in IT, computer stuff is a fun hobby for me. I can see how assuming the responsibilities for hosting an instance could make it less fun and more work, though.

[cyborganism@lemmy.ca]

That okay.

If you want to host just for yourself that's okay. Just be careful about cybersecurity. You don't want that box to become an easy entry point for hackers.

Having self hosted before the age of the cloud, on my own personal PC, I highly recommend to have a seperate box on a DMZ part of your router and only open the required ports. And use a super stable distro like Debian stable. You don't want the bleeding edge on there as there could be bugs and vulnerabilities that haven't been patched yet.

If you need to access it remotely, use SSH and disable root login and only allow logging in using SSH keys. Disable password login. And update often and back-up often!

Finally, keep all eye on the issues of the GitHub pages for your fediverse app so you can be aware of any important updates and patched or vulnerabilities. Shut down your service if there's an important vulnerability that's not fixed yet.