Tesla’s 2024 financial results are out—and they’re terrible

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And every other car manufacturer has valuation multiplies 12x lower than Tesla's. Musk's worst nightmare is investors treating Tesla like a car company. That's why he keeps pushing on "Tesla is an AI company that makes cars, not a car company."

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So they are making bank on storage and energy, but they are allowing Trump and the EPA to ruin it? Also he makes electric vehicles and Trump and Co are trying to bring back gas guzzlers and straight pipes. Hmmm. I think Elons mouth wasn't sufficiently moist enough for trump.

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Oh Yeah I completely agree, apparently everyone is super touchy with everything elon and couldn't take the joke.

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Value investing isn't dead. There are tons of value investors, and they aren't the ones buying Tesla.

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It's bad because it downward trends are bad, especially when other companies are growing.

Look at this way: suppose you have a job with a decent salary. Your supervisor calls you in and says, "Well, looks like we're going to cut your pay next year". You ask, "Is the company in trouble? Is everyone getting a pay cut?" And they answer, "No, the company is doing pretty well. Most people are getting raises. Not you, though."

That's a bad sign.

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They're also banking on Elon staying alive for the next 4y which is a risky bet given how he immediately antagonised the MAGA crowd on H1Bs.

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Tesla’s share price increased by 103% over the same period.

It's funny when people cry about crypto being a scam when the entire "economy" is a casino based on genocide.

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Teslas are objectively trash. 1 out of 3 model 3s didn't pass the mandatory inspection in Denmark 4y after purchase which results in tje cars becoming very expensive paper weights given how expensive it is to repair the modal issues. I'm amazed these data weren't more divulged by media since they come from the Danish state.

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When those profits come from carbon credits which means your main activity is still wildly unsustainable over a decade after the company being founded. Tesla is a massive investor bubble and their cars are objectively trash with failure rates 3x higher than the industry's worse. Tesla is garbage sustained by a massive collective illusion of US exceptionalism.

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Declining profitability is good for the share price, right?

The good news is value investors are out, pump and dumpers are in! Stock price to the moon!

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No, you base company value on its current and future earnings.

All that government influence is useless if people stop buying your products. And it turns out lots of people don't want buy products associated with Musk.

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Also remember that Tesla owns I think just shy of 10K Bitcoins that actually allowed its numbers this quarter by $600 million. And the way Trump has his minions pulling all crypto regulations look for Tesla to exploit it to the max going forward. Maybe they'll even buy some $TRUMP coins and announce $ELON coins for foreign entities looking to launder money destined for the White House.

Source: CNBC: Tesla Reports $600 Million Profit

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So more than a third of their net profits come from selling credits they received from the government? Am I understanding that correctly?

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My point is, if this is how markets react to worsening sales and an actually insane CEO how can you trust a rational bet to pay off?

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That but also removing green subsidies helps Tesla as it's further ahead than other electric car rivals. Also, less safety regulations likely brings it closer to fully autonomous driving.

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I'm glad for them.

they don't make electric vehicles. they make human sized battery powered over engineered poorly designed toys that were somehow street legal.

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It's bad because the company is bad and they should collapse, not continue on.

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aims to grow automotive sales by more than 60% in 2025.

I think this is being reported incorrectly in a lot of places.

They said the new vehicles they're launching in 2025 will allow them to grow 60% to the 3 million capacity they have.

They did not say in 2025. But it looked like it meant 2025.

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Value investors don't invest in Tesla, so you should not expect its share price to reflect fundamentals.

But they do invest in stocks like Coca Cola and American Express, so you should expect the share prices of those companies to better reflect fundamentals.

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Source on the killing of credits?

Those are California ZEV credits, and other similar non USA programs.

They're going to kill a lot of other things, but haven't heard about that yet.

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Tesla’s 2024 financial results are out—and they’re terrible