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Mullvad's privacy-focused search engine Leta is now free for all users | Leta acts as a proxy for Google and Brave search results

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  • kingthrillgore@lemmy.mlK [email protected]

    This is also what Startpage does.

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    And Searx

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    • Z [email protected]

      I cannot help but respect any organization that has “here are the conditions that make our product useless” in their FAQ.

      It’s an effective way to describe what their proxy does, for sure. It’s just nice to read public-facing text that doesn’t feel sanitized by committee.

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      #80

      It's also underselling what they are providing.

      You get to skip all the AI garbage, all the sponsored links, and the "what other people are asking" sections and just go straight to the search results.

      Privacy is the primary selling point, but the clean "old school" google interface is what I'm really excited about. I've set my default search in the browser to Leta for now.

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      • F [email protected]

        At launch, access to Mullvad Leta was restricted to users with a paid Mullvad VPN account, but it is now free and open to all.

        Mullvad Leta has been audited by Assured.

        • FAQ
        • Terms of Service

        Just a heads up, some of the details in the FAQ and Terms of Service seem a bit outdated and might not be accurate anymore.

        Some relevant information from their FAQ section is as follows:

        What can I do with Leta?

        Leta is a search engine. You can use it to return search results from many locations. We provide text search results, currently we do not offer image, news or any other types of search result. Leta acts as a proxy to Google and Brave search results. You can select which backend search engine you wish to use from the homepage of Leta.

        Can I use Leta as my default search engine?

        Yes, so long as your browser supports changing default search engines.

        Navigate to https://leta.mullvad.net in your browser and right-click on the URL bar.

        From there you should see Add “Mullvad Leta“ with the Mullvad VPN logo to the left.

        If you do not see this, you can attempt to add a custom search engine to your browser with:

        • The name set to: Leta
        • The URL set to: https://leta.mullvad.net/?q=%s

        You can select which backend engine to use as follows:

        • Google: https://leta.mullvad.net/?q=%s&engine=google
        • Brave: https://leta.mullvad.net/?q=%s&engine=brave

        Did you make your own search engine from scratch?

        We did not, we made a front end to the Google and Brave Search APIs.

        Our search engine performs the searches on behalf of our users. This means that rather than using Google or Brave Search directly, our Leta server makes the requests.

        Searching by proxy in other words.

        What is the point of Leta?

        Leta aims to present a reliable and trustworthy way of searching privately on the internet.

        However, Leta is useless as a service if you use the perfect non-logging VPN, a privacy focussed DNS service, a web browser that resists fingerprinting, and correlation attacks from global actors. Leta is also useless if your browser blocks all cookies, tracking pixels and other tracking technologies.

        For most people Leta can be useful, as the above conditions cannot ever truly be met by systems that are available today.

        What is a cached search?

        We store every search in a RAM based cache storage (Redis), which is removed after it reaches over 30 days in age.

        Cached searches are fetched from this storage, which means we return a result that can be from 0 to 30 days old. It may be the case that no other user has searched for something during the time that you search, which means you would be shown a stale result.

        What happens to everything I search for?

        Your searches are performed by proxy, it is the Leta server that makes calls to the Google or Brave Search API.

        Each search that has not already been cached is saved in RAM for 30 days. The idea is that the more searches performed, the larger and more substantial the cached results become, therefore aiding with privacy.

        All searches will be stored hashed with a secret in a cache. When you perform a search the cache will be checked first, before determining whether a direct call to Google or Brave Search should be made. Each time the Leta application is restarted (due to an upgrade, or new version) server side, a new secret hash is generated, meaning that all previous search queries are no longer visible to Leta

        What could potentially be a unique search would become something that many other users would also search for.

        What is running on the server side?

        We run the Leta servers on STBooted RAM only servers, the same as our VPN servers. These servers run the latest Ubuntu LTS, with our own stripped down custom Mullvad VPN kernel which we tune in-house to remove anything unnecessary for the running system.

        The cached search results are stored in an in-memory Redis key / value store.

        The Leta service is a NodeJS based application that proxies requests to Google or Brave Search, or returns them from cache.

        We gather metrics relating to the number of cached searches, vs direct searches, solely to understand the value of our service.

        Additionally we gather information about CPU usage, RAM usage and other such information to keep the service running smoothly.

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        <<< hearch.co

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        • ? Guest

          No images and news categories?

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          try this for images - https://hearch.co/

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          • S [email protected]

            Nice! I've been wanting to get off startpage for a while now. This is a perfect replacement.

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            Same question. Why are you moving away from Startpage? I

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            • F [email protected]

              At launch, access to Mullvad Leta was restricted to users with a paid Mullvad VPN account, but it is now free and open to all.

              Mullvad Leta has been audited by Assured.

              • FAQ
              • Terms of Service

              Just a heads up, some of the details in the FAQ and Terms of Service seem a bit outdated and might not be accurate anymore.

              Some relevant information from their FAQ section is as follows:

              What can I do with Leta?

              Leta is a search engine. You can use it to return search results from many locations. We provide text search results, currently we do not offer image, news or any other types of search result. Leta acts as a proxy to Google and Brave search results. You can select which backend search engine you wish to use from the homepage of Leta.

              Can I use Leta as my default search engine?

              Yes, so long as your browser supports changing default search engines.

              Navigate to https://leta.mullvad.net in your browser and right-click on the URL bar.

              From there you should see Add “Mullvad Leta“ with the Mullvad VPN logo to the left.

              If you do not see this, you can attempt to add a custom search engine to your browser with:

              • The name set to: Leta
              • The URL set to: https://leta.mullvad.net/?q=%s

              You can select which backend engine to use as follows:

              • Google: https://leta.mullvad.net/?q=%s&engine=google
              • Brave: https://leta.mullvad.net/?q=%s&engine=brave

              Did you make your own search engine from scratch?

              We did not, we made a front end to the Google and Brave Search APIs.

              Our search engine performs the searches on behalf of our users. This means that rather than using Google or Brave Search directly, our Leta server makes the requests.

              Searching by proxy in other words.

              What is the point of Leta?

              Leta aims to present a reliable and trustworthy way of searching privately on the internet.

              However, Leta is useless as a service if you use the perfect non-logging VPN, a privacy focussed DNS service, a web browser that resists fingerprinting, and correlation attacks from global actors. Leta is also useless if your browser blocks all cookies, tracking pixels and other tracking technologies.

              For most people Leta can be useful, as the above conditions cannot ever truly be met by systems that are available today.

              What is a cached search?

              We store every search in a RAM based cache storage (Redis), which is removed after it reaches over 30 days in age.

              Cached searches are fetched from this storage, which means we return a result that can be from 0 to 30 days old. It may be the case that no other user has searched for something during the time that you search, which means you would be shown a stale result.

              What happens to everything I search for?

              Your searches are performed by proxy, it is the Leta server that makes calls to the Google or Brave Search API.

              Each search that has not already been cached is saved in RAM for 30 days. The idea is that the more searches performed, the larger and more substantial the cached results become, therefore aiding with privacy.

              All searches will be stored hashed with a secret in a cache. When you perform a search the cache will be checked first, before determining whether a direct call to Google or Brave Search should be made. Each time the Leta application is restarted (due to an upgrade, or new version) server side, a new secret hash is generated, meaning that all previous search queries are no longer visible to Leta

              What could potentially be a unique search would become something that many other users would also search for.

              What is running on the server side?

              We run the Leta servers on STBooted RAM only servers, the same as our VPN servers. These servers run the latest Ubuntu LTS, with our own stripped down custom Mullvad VPN kernel which we tune in-house to remove anything unnecessary for the running system.

              The cached search results are stored in an in-memory Redis key / value store.

              The Leta service is a NodeJS based application that proxies requests to Google or Brave Search, or returns them from cache.

              We gather metrics relating to the number of cached searches, vs direct searches, solely to understand the value of our service.

              Additionally we gather information about CPU usage, RAM usage and other such information to keep the service running smoothly.

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              #84

              I actually thought this is what Startpage was already doing essentially

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              • F [email protected]

                At launch, access to Mullvad Leta was restricted to users with a paid Mullvad VPN account, but it is now free and open to all.

                Mullvad Leta has been audited by Assured.

                • FAQ
                • Terms of Service

                Just a heads up, some of the details in the FAQ and Terms of Service seem a bit outdated and might not be accurate anymore.

                Some relevant information from their FAQ section is as follows:

                What can I do with Leta?

                Leta is a search engine. You can use it to return search results from many locations. We provide text search results, currently we do not offer image, news or any other types of search result. Leta acts as a proxy to Google and Brave search results. You can select which backend search engine you wish to use from the homepage of Leta.

                Can I use Leta as my default search engine?

                Yes, so long as your browser supports changing default search engines.

                Navigate to https://leta.mullvad.net in your browser and right-click on the URL bar.

                From there you should see Add “Mullvad Leta“ with the Mullvad VPN logo to the left.

                If you do not see this, you can attempt to add a custom search engine to your browser with:

                • The name set to: Leta
                • The URL set to: https://leta.mullvad.net/?q=%s

                You can select which backend engine to use as follows:

                • Google: https://leta.mullvad.net/?q=%s&engine=google
                • Brave: https://leta.mullvad.net/?q=%s&engine=brave

                Did you make your own search engine from scratch?

                We did not, we made a front end to the Google and Brave Search APIs.

                Our search engine performs the searches on behalf of our users. This means that rather than using Google or Brave Search directly, our Leta server makes the requests.

                Searching by proxy in other words.

                What is the point of Leta?

                Leta aims to present a reliable and trustworthy way of searching privately on the internet.

                However, Leta is useless as a service if you use the perfect non-logging VPN, a privacy focussed DNS service, a web browser that resists fingerprinting, and correlation attacks from global actors. Leta is also useless if your browser blocks all cookies, tracking pixels and other tracking technologies.

                For most people Leta can be useful, as the above conditions cannot ever truly be met by systems that are available today.

                What is a cached search?

                We store every search in a RAM based cache storage (Redis), which is removed after it reaches over 30 days in age.

                Cached searches are fetched from this storage, which means we return a result that can be from 0 to 30 days old. It may be the case that no other user has searched for something during the time that you search, which means you would be shown a stale result.

                What happens to everything I search for?

                Your searches are performed by proxy, it is the Leta server that makes calls to the Google or Brave Search API.

                Each search that has not already been cached is saved in RAM for 30 days. The idea is that the more searches performed, the larger and more substantial the cached results become, therefore aiding with privacy.

                All searches will be stored hashed with a secret in a cache. When you perform a search the cache will be checked first, before determining whether a direct call to Google or Brave Search should be made. Each time the Leta application is restarted (due to an upgrade, or new version) server side, a new secret hash is generated, meaning that all previous search queries are no longer visible to Leta

                What could potentially be a unique search would become something that many other users would also search for.

                What is running on the server side?

                We run the Leta servers on STBooted RAM only servers, the same as our VPN servers. These servers run the latest Ubuntu LTS, with our own stripped down custom Mullvad VPN kernel which we tune in-house to remove anything unnecessary for the running system.

                The cached search results are stored in an in-memory Redis key / value store.

                The Leta service is a NodeJS based application that proxies requests to Google or Brave Search, or returns them from cache.

                We gather metrics relating to the number of cached searches, vs direct searches, solely to understand the value of our service.

                Additionally we gather information about CPU usage, RAM usage and other such information to keep the service running smoothly.

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                While this is nice, I would really like to see more fully independent options that are not just a proxy for Google/Bing. I realize that is a lot easier said than done, but this kind of solution is not providing a real alternative in anything but name only. Google/Microsoft fully control the APIs being used. so things this only exists so long as those they are trying to provide an alternative for allow them to exist. Which will not scale if they are anything but a blip on the radar.

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                • ? Guest

                  Same question. Why are you moving away from Startpage? I

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                  #86

                  They were bought by a shady company a while back.

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                  • 01189998819991197253@infosec.pub0 [email protected]

                    Wait... what's wrong with startpage?

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                    They were bought by a shady company a while back.

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                    • sturgist@lemmy.caS [email protected]

                      SearXNG

                      Always wondered how the fuck I'm supposed to say that.

                      Seeks'nn'jnn?
                      Sur X N G?
                      Search engine?

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                      @[email protected]
                      @[email protected]
                      @[email protected]
                      @[email protected]
                      @[email protected]

                      So....I guess it kinda seems like a .gif vs .gif sorta situation, we'll never come to a consensus, there will forever be disparate camps chuckling under their breath at all the "idiots" that can't even pronounce SearXNG right...the fools.....

                      Well, guess I'll sleep on it and join a camp some day.... le sigh

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                      • sturgist@lemmy.caS [email protected]

                        SearXNG

                        Always wondered how the fuck I'm supposed to say that.

                        Seeks'nn'jnn?
                        Sur X N G?
                        Search engine?

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                        Searching. XNG makes the "Ching" sound in some languages.

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                        • elgenzay@lemmy.mlE [email protected]

                          No. You can raise concerns about a potential vulnerability without having identified a specific real-world method of exploitation.

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                          If there's no method of exploitation then you haven't found a vulnerability. You're just describing how the system works.

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                          • S [email protected]

                            They were bought by a shady company a while back.

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                            Oh snap. I had no idea!

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                            • S [email protected]

                              They were bought by a shady company a while back.

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                              Are you referring to Privacy One Group? Seems like that was cleared up and PrivacyTools went back to recommending them

                              https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Startpage.com

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                                Are you referring to Privacy One Group? Seems like that was cleared up and PrivacyTools went back to recommending them

                                https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Startpage.com

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                                System1 specifically, which is also mentioned in the article you linked.

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                                • L [email protected]

                                  It's also underselling what they are providing.

                                  You get to skip all the AI garbage, all the sponsored links, and the "what other people are asking" sections and just go straight to the search results.

                                  Privacy is the primary selling point, but the clean "old school" google interface is what I'm really excited about. I've set my default search in the browser to Leta for now.

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                                  Funny you say that, because my only complaint about this search engine is that it's missing the AI "garbage". I suppose I could just go directly to Gemini but it was convenient getting a quick answer without having to use two separate websites.

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                                    Funny you say that, because my only complaint about this search engine is that it's missing the AI "garbage". I suppose I could just go directly to Gemini but it was convenient getting a quick answer without having to use two separate websites.

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                                    Gemini is wrong quite often. You shouldn't rely on it to tell you facts.

                                    If I need to double check it, then it's worthless to me.

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                                      Gemini is wrong quite often. You shouldn't rely on it to tell you facts.

                                      If I need to double check it, then it's worthless to me.

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                                      Thankfully I don't rely on it for "facts", just for a quick summary on something or to get a definition of a word. Something like that.

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                                      • S [email protected]

                                        System1 specifically, which is also mentioned in the article you linked.

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                                        Thanks for the response!

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                                        • M [email protected]

                                          I don't see them claiming it is

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                                          Your IP address and search terms are automatically shared with our search partners, Microsoft Bing or Google, when you search.

                                          https://www.ecosia.org/privacy

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