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What's something that's seen as Obsolete, but isn't?

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    Can you give me some typical values, maybe? That would be a big help.

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    There are no "typical values" when you're running a mill or lathe. You could look up "speeds and feeds", but that's really just a table that you plug into an equation to figure out how to set the machine. It all depends on what you're doing and what you're doing it with. Drilling a hole with a high speed steel drill bit is going to be a bit different than drilling it with a carbide spade, and all that is going to depend heavily on whether you're trying to run through titanium or tin. You need to fine tune running "x" bit through "y" material for a "z" sized cut.

    Essentially, this is the knowledge that separates skilled labor from manual labor, and machining is (was, RIP cnc button pushers) skilled labor.

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      Proton Mail's end-to-end encryption and zero-access encryption ensure only you can see your emails. Not even Proton can view the content of your emails and attachments.

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      The vast majority of senders do not send email using end to end encryption. If you’re sending an email from a PM address to another PM address, sure, it’s end to end encrypted. If you’re sending to another service, it’s probably not end to end encrypted, unless you’ve both gone through the painful steps of setting up PGP encryption. Same as if you’re receiving from another service.

      You can read about it here:

      https://proton.me/support/proton-mail-encryption-explained

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        Tape drives. They're still used for backups/archival because they offer the lowest cost per gigabyte, as long as you don't need to access the data very fast.

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        Im obsessed with tape storage, but for audio. Nothing more real than audio on tape! Luckily it's catching on again. Music is so disposable now, I hope we can keep physical formats alive and keep corporations away from it (digital offers them unlimited control over us).

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          Safety* might*

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          I don not know of no 30 million blad razor to.

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            Im obsessed with tape storage, but for audio. Nothing more real than audio on tape! Luckily it's catching on again. Music is so disposable now, I hope we can keep physical formats alive and keep corporations away from it (digital offers them unlimited control over us).

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            Can you drop some tape player recs to save me on tape spaghetti?

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              Yep. And it doesn't need to be charged every night like apple watch or similar.

              Am looking for a new one if you have any recommendations.

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              If you find a G-Shock that doesnt incorporate bluetooth and you happen to think of me, pass the name along will ya?

              The one I have goes like this. Start stopwatch... Stop stopwatch... Choose between save/delete/resume.........................deleting..........................................................aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand deleted... *returns to watch function.

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                Can you drop some tape player recs to save me on tape spaghetti?

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                Oh sorry, I meant more reel tape not really casettes, but I love the otari mx5050, and the teac 2340sx. Good machines and 1/4" tape is still affordable. PM me if you'd like more tape info, I love to share.

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                  Oh sorry, I meant more reel tape not really casettes, but I love the otari mx5050, and the teac 2340sx. Good machines and 1/4" tape is still affordable. PM me if you'd like more tape info, I love to share.

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                  Ah okay haha. Ive been buying vinyls lately and there's a lot of people with casette merch too. I didnt remember tape being that amazing but was willing to give it a shot. I don't have reel to reel space at my place unfortunately. Thanks for putting it out there though!

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                    Ah okay haha. Ive been buying vinyls lately and there's a lot of people with casette merch too. I didnt remember tape being that amazing but was willing to give it a shot. I don't have reel to reel space at my place unfortunately. Thanks for putting it out there though!

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                    Well I'll say cassette quality can never really be good becaise of the slow speed and narrow width. . But 1/4" tape is about the best analog quality you can get (feasibly cost wise) if you go 15 IPS and half track (1 way play, no flipping).

                    If you want good sound for cassettes you can't beat a Nakamichi deck, best there are.

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                      The vast majority of senders do not send email using end to end encryption. If you’re sending an email from a PM address to another PM address, sure, it’s end to end encrypted. If you’re sending to another service, it’s probably not end to end encrypted, unless you’ve both gone through the painful steps of setting up PGP encryption. Same as if you’re receiving from another service.

                      You can read about it here:

                      https://proton.me/support/proton-mail-encryption-explained

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                      I know, but I was answering the question about encryption, rather than users. Proton also allows sending encrypted to non participating receivers. They get a weblink and have to open it to view the email a with password if supplied. That decrypts the email at the browser, and has an expiry time on the link.

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                        I know, but I was answering the question about encryption, rather than users. Proton also allows sending encrypted to non participating receivers. They get a weblink and have to open it to view the email a with password if supplied. That decrypts the email at the browser, and has an expiry time on the link.

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                        That’s a very different use case than a fax.

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                          That’s a very different use case than a fax.

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                          I wouldn't, fax is gone once it has arrived, assuming store transmissions is off. Email is sitting in limbo on a server waiting for an exploit

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                            Yep. And it doesn't need to be charged every night like apple watch or similar.

                            Am looking for a new one if you have any recommendations.

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                            Don't get the one I got, lol. I'm probably going back to a non-smartwatch after problems with my tic watch.

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                              Every single leaf I or my wife has had broke. Very good when they worked though. I still use the twig on occasion.

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                              Uh oh, what broke on it?

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                                That leaf one appears to be $120 lol

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                                Yeah, expensive up front, but the blades are cheap. I got on the Harry's train before they got bought up and were cheap. Now, whoever bought them has been jacking up prices, which had me looking for a cheaper alternative.

                                Harry's also gave me plastic guilt. There is a lot of waste. 😛

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                                  Uh oh, what broke on it?

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                                  The thumb screw bit.I still have one of the broken ones I can take a picture of. They did replace it without complaint the first time but just felt not worth it going forward.

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                                    Don't get the one I got, lol. I'm probably going back to a non-smartwatch after problems with my tic watch.

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                                    Oh yeah for sure it'll be an old fashioned normal watch. Ditched my smartwatch last year.

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                                      There are no "typical values" when you're running a mill or lathe. You could look up "speeds and feeds", but that's really just a table that you plug into an equation to figure out how to set the machine. It all depends on what you're doing and what you're doing it with. Drilling a hole with a high speed steel drill bit is going to be a bit different than drilling it with a carbide spade, and all that is going to depend heavily on whether you're trying to run through titanium or tin. You need to fine tune running "x" bit through "y" material for a "z" sized cut.

                                      Essentially, this is the knowledge that separates skilled labor from manual labor, and machining is (was, RIP cnc button pushers) skilled labor.

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                                      Thanks, that's really helpful. I suppose it makes sense that not just material but cut size and bit would matter. They usually focus just on the geometry on YouTube.

                                      Out of curiosity, what's the lowest you've ever gone? It's hard to picture machining happening at something like 60RPM.

                                      If you want to get that through steam or electric motors or whatever that’s up to you

                                      Since I'm interested in technological bootstrapping more generally, I think most about water wheels, actually! Steam engines need to be machined, which is a chicken-and-egg problem (or I guess crafted freehand to a machining-like precision, like Vaucanson's lathe). Electric motors don't necessarily, but they need a source of electricity, and that's either a lot of batteries or another rotating power source, which again doesn't solve the problem.

                                      Waterwheels can be made with hand tools - maybe even primitive tools - and can achieve surprisingly modern efficiency and power density. They do require the right topography, but then again they spin indefinitely without needing to be fueled. 50hp is still a sizable wheel, near the top of what existed in pre-modern times, but I'm guessing you can do basic things with an underpowered machine.

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                                        Thanks, that's really helpful. I suppose it makes sense that not just material but cut size and bit would matter. They usually focus just on the geometry on YouTube.

                                        Out of curiosity, what's the lowest you've ever gone? It's hard to picture machining happening at something like 60RPM.

                                        If you want to get that through steam or electric motors or whatever that’s up to you

                                        Since I'm interested in technological bootstrapping more generally, I think most about water wheels, actually! Steam engines need to be machined, which is a chicken-and-egg problem (or I guess crafted freehand to a machining-like precision, like Vaucanson's lathe). Electric motors don't necessarily, but they need a source of electricity, and that's either a lot of batteries or another rotating power source, which again doesn't solve the problem.

                                        Waterwheels can be made with hand tools - maybe even primitive tools - and can achieve surprisingly modern efficiency and power density. They do require the right topography, but then again they spin indefinitely without needing to be fueled. 50hp is still a sizable wheel, near the top of what existed in pre-modern times, but I'm guessing you can do basic things with an underpowered machine.

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                                        You'd be surprised how slow machining can be. Cutting speeds are all in sfm (surface feet per minute) and when you have a BIG part, them feets add up quick. Check out videos of big old vertical lathes running big parts. You can get down to a quarter of an rpm but the flange or fitting is so fucking huge that you're still pushing 100-200 sfm at the bit.

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                                          Apparently trains for some people

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                                          ...how are trains obsolete to anybody?

                                          Hundred of billions of passengers and tonnes of freight are moved by rail each year globally.

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