Europe goes into daylight saving time despite controversy
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That is up to the people to decide. Have the date switch at 00:00 whenever that is, or switch it at whatever time is the middle of the night - I just want to be able to see the time written out and be able to tell how many hours from now that's happening without googling what flavor of time fuckery any specific time zone abbreviation means. I don't think changing dates is going to be more confusing than some countries having 15 minutes ahead of GMT time zones or screwing up everyone's circadian rhythms twice a year.
That's going to be way worse. I can get down with no timezones, but if we replace time zones with date zones you'll end up with two locations where the same instant of time is either March 2nd at 3am or March 1st at 3am. There really just isn't an easy way to handle time that works for all weird geographies and also makes it easy to schedule things across an ocean. But also, fuck daylight savings, that's a totally unnecessary way of making it all worse than it needs to be.
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That's going to be way worse. I can get down with no timezones, but if we replace time zones with date zones you'll end up with two locations where the same instant of time is either March 2nd at 3am or March 1st at 3am. There really just isn't an easy way to handle time that works for all weird geographies and also makes it easy to schedule things across an ocean. But also, fuck daylight savings, that's a totally unnecessary way of making it all worse than it needs to be.
I don't mind just changing the date a 0 hours everywhere at once, personally. Though, there's also a thing Japan already does where they list time at 25:00, 26:00 and so on - meaning 1 AM, 2 AM, but tomorrow. I think that might be handy for when you want to list the time that would technically be tomorrow but still during the current daylight period.
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Mid-day should be the middle of the day.
Mid-night should be the middle of the night.If you like more light in the evening, go to bed late and wake up late. If you like light in the morning, go to bed early and wake up early.
Stop fucking with the clocks and making nonsensible decisions
Mid-day should be the middle of the day.
Mid-night should be the middle of the night.You'd need new clocks, those times drift every day, so 12:00 midday would need to change automatically.
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Have the whole world go on UTC, that way there's never confusion.
China has one time zone, but in Xinjiang they use local time anyway. Getting everyone on one time zone for daily use is unlikely.
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That’s how it was back in the day. When you walked over a couple of villages you’d have to change your watch by 3 minutes.
I'm all for aligning life with the rhythm of nature and all, but I don't see how that'd work in current times.
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Mid-day should be the middle of the day.
Mid-night should be the middle of the night.You'd need new clocks, those times drift every day, so 12:00 midday would need to change automatically.
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I've had way too many conversations with people that simply can't comprehend how that works. "But then we'd have to do everything so much earlier, it would be dark all the time." I try to explain that we'd still do everything at the same time of day, just call it something different, but they just can't wrap their minds around that.
We can't. It'd make it too easy to discover how arbitrary "9 to 5" is.
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Split the difference at 30 minutes, and call it a day!
½ an hour is a very short day
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Just... wake up earlier?
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Mid-day should be the middle of the day.
Mid-night should be the middle of the night.If you like more light in the evening, go to bed late and wake up late. If you like light in the morning, go to bed early and wake up early.
Stop fucking with the clocks and making nonsensible decisions
Tell my employer that.
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That's going to be way worse. I can get down with no timezones, but if we replace time zones with date zones you'll end up with two locations where the same instant of time is either March 2nd at 3am or March 1st at 3am. There really just isn't an easy way to handle time that works for all weird geographies and also makes it easy to schedule things across an ocean. But also, fuck daylight savings, that's a totally unnecessary way of making it all worse than it needs to be.
But... That's already the case even with timezones...
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Tell my employer that.
This but unironic. Employers just do what everyone is doing, and will stop when everyone else does.
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like 2 times every year we change our time. world news!
I mean, yeah. It’s a stressful thing that kills a lot of people. It’s newsworthy.
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The objection isn’t to DST, it’s to switching back and forth. Just pick one and stick with it.
No, the objection is to DST. Noon should be approximately at noon.
I’d take permanent DST over the current retarded shit show though.
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I'm with that guy, I get out of work at a set time I like to have some daylight after work. Doesn't matter what time I wake up, I don't wanna do things before work I just like to see the sun after work it gives me something to look forward to.
So… change your working hours?
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Summary
Most European countries moved clocks forward one hour on Sunday, marking the start of daylight saving time (DST), a practice increasingly criticized.
Originally introduced during World War I to conserve energy, DST returned during the 1970s oil crisis and now shifts Central European Time to Central European Summer Time.
Despite a 2018 EU consultation where 84% of nearly 4 million respondents supported abolishing DST, implementation stalled due to member state disagreement.
Poland, currently holding the EU presidency, plans informal consultations to revisit the issue amid broader geopolitical priorities.
To people thinking of enforcing UTC around the globe:
obligatory: https://qntm.org/abolish
Before I read this article, I also thought it would be a great idea to get rid of timezones entirely and just use UTC for everything. To quote from the link,
Abolishing time zones brings many benefits, I hope. It also:
- causes the question “What time is it there?” to be useless/unanswerable
- necessitates significant changes to the way in which normal people talk about time
- convolutes timetables, where present
- means “days” (of the week) are no longer the same as “days”
- complicates both secular and religious law
- is a staggering inconvenience for a minimum of five billion people
- makes it near-impossible to reason about time in other parts of the world
- does not mean everybody gets up at the same time, goes to work at the same time, or goes to bed at the same time
- is not simpler.
As long as humans live in more than one part of the world, solar time is always going to be subjective. Abolishing time zones only exacerbates this problem.
(copied from one of my 9-month old comments)
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Summary
Most European countries moved clocks forward one hour on Sunday, marking the start of daylight saving time (DST), a practice increasingly criticized.
Originally introduced during World War I to conserve energy, DST returned during the 1970s oil crisis and now shifts Central European Time to Central European Summer Time.
Despite a 2018 EU consultation where 84% of nearly 4 million respondents supported abolishing DST, implementation stalled due to member state disagreement.
Poland, currently holding the EU presidency, plans informal consultations to revisit the issue amid broader geopolitical priorities.
I will never understand why people want the time we only use for 3 months to be the time we use for the whole year. I would rather people just be able to admit that December is dark (for the northern hemisphere) and we can do shit at a different time.
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Mid-day should be the middle of the day.
Mid-night should be the middle of the night.You'd need new clocks, those times drift every day, so 12:00 midday would need to change automatically.
It also depends on your location within your particular time zone. You can't have noon at the same time of day on both the eastern and western end of the zone.
We aren't all having the same argument. Solar noon should, indeed, be close to chronological noon, but that will only ever be true in the center of the time zone.
On "standard time" on the western end of a time zone, solar noon is (ostensibly) 11:30 am, while on the eastern end, it's 12:30. Under DST, those times shift to 12:30 and 13:30, respectively. In zones wider than 15 degrees, there can be more than an hour difference.
When the eastern end of the zone argues for permanent Standard Time, and the western end of the zone argues for permanent DST, both ends are arguing for the same preference.
"Midday" (solar noon) should indeed be close to noon, but midday should never be before 12:00pm.
The solution is to lock the clocks on one system or the other, and allow political subdivisions to move the line so their clocks work best for them.
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Summary
Most European countries moved clocks forward one hour on Sunday, marking the start of daylight saving time (DST), a practice increasingly criticized.
Originally introduced during World War I to conserve energy, DST returned during the 1970s oil crisis and now shifts Central European Time to Central European Summer Time.
Despite a 2018 EU consultation where 84% of nearly 4 million respondents supported abolishing DST, implementation stalled due to member state disagreement.
Poland, currently holding the EU presidency, plans informal consultations to revisit the issue amid broader geopolitical priorities.
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You can keep 1 hour time zones just fine. It still puts moon within 1 hour of mid day, which you don’t get with DST.
I can accept that. So long as after we lock the clocks on standard time, my region is allowed to switch to the next time zone to the west.
I don't think the "noon = midday" argument is complete. I think noon should be close to, but never before midday. Midday should never occur at 11:30 AM, like it currently does on the western ends of the zones.
If you are arguing for permanent standard time and you are on the eastern end of your time zone, you are making the same argument as someone advocating DST from the western end.
