Did ChatGPT come up with Trump’s tariff rate formula? AI chatbots ChatGPT, Gemini, Claude and Grok all return the same formula for reciprocal tariff calculations, several X users claim.
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You're putting words in my mouth, and inventing arguments I never made.
I didn't say anything about whether the training data is stolen or not. I also didn't say a single word about intelligence, or originality.
I haven't been tricked into using one piece of language over another, I'm a software engineer and know enough about how these systems actually work to reach my own conclusions.
There is not a database tucked away in the LLM anywhere which you could search through and find the phrases which it was trained on, it simply doesn't exist.
That isn't to say it's completely impossible for an LLM to spit out something which formed part of the training data, but it's pretty rare. 99% of what it generates doesn't come from anywhere in particular, and you wouldn't find it in any of the sources which were fed to the model in training.
It's searched in training, tagged for use/topic then that info is processed and filtered through layers. So it's pre-searched if you will. Like meta tags in the early internet.
Then the data is processed into cells which queries flow through during generation.
99% of what it generates doesn't come from anywhere in particular, and you wouldn't find it in any of the sources which were fed to the model in training.
Yes it does - the fact that you in particular can't recognize from where it comes: doesn't matter. It's still using copywrited works.
Anyways you're an AI stan, and defending theft. You can deny it all day, but it's what you're doing. "It's okay, I'm a software engineer I'm allowed to defend it"
...as if being a software engineer doesn't stop you from also being a dumbass. Of course it doesn't.
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It's searched in training, tagged for use/topic then that info is processed and filtered through layers. So it's pre-searched if you will. Like meta tags in the early internet.
Then the data is processed into cells which queries flow through during generation.
99% of what it generates doesn't come from anywhere in particular, and you wouldn't find it in any of the sources which were fed to the model in training.
Yes it does - the fact that you in particular can't recognize from where it comes: doesn't matter. It's still using copywrited works.
Anyways you're an AI stan, and defending theft. You can deny it all day, but it's what you're doing. "It's okay, I'm a software engineer I'm allowed to defend it"
...as if being a software engineer doesn't stop you from also being a dumbass. Of course it doesn't.
You're still putting words in my mouth.
I never said they weren't stealing the data
I didn't comment on that at all, because it's not relevant to the point I was actually making, which is that people treating the output of an LLM as if it were derived from any factual source at all is really problematic, because it isn't.
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That bothers me too. Get an actual expert source to verify before you publish shit from randos on Twitter and Reddit.
In this case, it's as simple as "type it into ChatGPT, like the Reddit users did"
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Because the article is likely just more GenAI vomit, and an LLM doesn't have any degree of deductive reasoning ability to begin with.
TBH it's probably human written.
I used to write small articles for a tech news outlet on the side (HardOCP), and the entire site went under well before the AI boom because no one can compete with conveyer belts of of thoughtless SEO garbage, especially when Google promotes it.
Point being, this was a problem well before the rise of LLMs.
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In this case, it's as simple as "type it into ChatGPT, like the Reddit users did"
But that doesn't confirm or deny that Trumps formula came from ChatGPT, they could both be drawing from some other source.
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In this case, it's as simple as "type it into ChatGPT, like the Reddit users did"
"these lazy fucks in the government are using ai to come up with policy"
Also news outlet
"I am too lazy to do the laziest thing I'm angry about, even though it's my literal job"
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But that doesn't confirm or deny that Trumps formula came from ChatGPT, they could both be drawing from some other source.
You can generally toggle LLM "grounding" features, aka inserting web searches into their context.
Modern LLMs have a information "cutoff" of a few months ago, at the latest, so the base models will have zero awareness of this formula.
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The numbers come from an overly simple way to level out trade deficits.
So if I sell you $100 in goods and you sell me $120 dollars in goods, I'm "losing" money, therefore 20% tariff (tax to sell me something). In reality, you're going to increase your prices and sell me $140 worth of the same stuff.
All the AIs did was expand this to a global scale, what's insane to me is that the math adds up. It doesn't take an AI to do this though, some economics undergrad could come up with the same thing. Understanding the underlying methodology shows how it completely lacks nuance or understanding of how the world really works.
Isn't his weird formula the trade defecit percentage + Tariffs from that country divided by two?
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It was deep fried before being placed in the burger
HAMBERDER
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That bothers me too. Get an actual expert source to verify before you publish shit from randos on Twitter and Reddit.
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"these lazy fucks in the government are using ai to come up with policy"
Also news outlet
"I am too lazy to do the laziest thing I'm angry about, even though it's my literal job"
"News outlet" is a huge stretch. It's a crypto currency blog pretending to be news.
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Thanks, much appreciated.
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There's a ton of papers on Google Scholar that still include phases like "Let's delve into..." That show otnwas used not to translate, but for the research itself.
And someone did replicate this, and ChatGPT 4o, o1, Claude and Grok all came up with the same formula for an "easy" way to calculate tariffs.
And someone did replicate this
Can you recall who?
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You can generally toggle LLM "grounding" features, aka inserting web searches into their context.
Modern LLMs have a information "cutoff" of a few months ago, at the latest, so the base models will have zero awareness of this formula.
Unless the formula came from something that already existed that both Trumps people and these models are referencing to come up with the same number.
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You're still putting words in my mouth.
I never said they weren't stealing the data
I didn't comment on that at all, because it's not relevant to the point I was actually making, which is that people treating the output of an LLM as if it were derived from any factual source at all is really problematic, because it isn't.
I'm sorry, the discussion was never about factuality. You said search engine. They are in fact searching and reconstructing data based on a probabilistic data space.
...and there are plenty of examples of search engines being sued for the types of data they've explored or digitized.
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And someone did replicate this
Can you recall who?
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if he chops up his hamburgers into pieces it counts
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Artificial Generalized Incompetence
They are reciprocal so should be the same as what other nations are charging the US. The formula for them is: tariff for X = X's tariff on US, so no surprise here.
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They are reciprocal so should be the same as what other nations are charging the US. The formula for them is: tariff for X = X's tariff on US, so no surprise here.
The current tariff approach by the republican administration does not include the tariffs on US exports. They are not included in the formula.
