Did ChatGPT come up with Trump’s tariff rate formula? AI chatbots ChatGPT, Gemini, Claude and Grok all return the same formula for reciprocal tariff calculations, several X users claim.
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Are you annoyed that they didn't try to replicate it, or that they're disparaging LLMs?
That they didn’t try to replicate it.
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Yea but we can all agree on sky color but the numbers Trump posted are questionable at best
the point is chat GPT is trained on ideas people have already had. it's not inventing Trump's economic theory out of thin air.
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Except these AI systems aren't search engines, and people treating them like they are is really dangerous
They are. They record the data, stealing it. They search it, and reprint it (in whole or in part) upon request.
They search the data-space or what they're trained on (our content, the content of human beings), and reproduce statistically defined elements of it.
They're search engines that have stolen what they're trained on, and reproduce it as "results".
Searching and reproducing content they've already recorded, is absolutely part of what they are.
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That simply isn't true. There's nothing in common between an LLM and a search engine, except insofar as the people developing the LLM had access to search engines, and may have used them during their data gathering efforts for training data
"data gathering" and "training data" is just what they have you calling it.
It's not data gathering, it's stealing. It's not training data, it's our original work.
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I mean, I'm not going to spend time trying to duplicate their results, but it wouldn't even slightly surprise me. Cops have been using ChatGPT to streamline their bullshit cop-lingo incident reports, to the extent that it's caught the notice of lawyers and judges... 100% I believe that the dolts who shit out Trump's tariff rates used it too.
There's a ton of papers on Google Scholar that still include phases like "Let's delve into..." That show otnwas used not to translate, but for the research itself.
And someone did replicate this, and ChatGPT 4o, o1, Claude and Grok all came up with the same formula for an "easy" way to calculate tariffs.
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How about the outlet checks and finds out?
I did, and I couldn’t get low-temperature Gemini or a local LLM to replicate it, and not all the tariffs seem to be based on the trade deficit ratio, though some suspiciously are.
Sorry, but this is a button of mine, outlets that ask stupidly easy to verify questions but dont even try. No, just cite people on Reddit and Twitter…
That bothers me too. Get an actual expert source to verify before you publish shit from randos on Twitter and Reddit.
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"data gathering" and "training data" is just what they have you calling it.
It's not data gathering, it's stealing. It's not training data, it's our original work.
You're putting words in my mouth, and inventing arguments I never made.
I didn't say anything about whether the training data is stolen or not. I also didn't say a single word about intelligence, or originality.
I haven't been tricked into using one piece of language over another, I'm a software engineer and know enough about how these systems actually work to reach my own conclusions.
There is not a database tucked away in the LLM anywhere which you could search through and find the phrases which it was trained on, it simply doesn't exist.
That isn't to say it's completely impossible for an LLM to spit out something which formed part of the training data, but it's pretty rare. 99% of what it generates doesn't come from anywhere in particular, and you wouldn't find it in any of the sources which were fed to the model in training.
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You're putting words in my mouth, and inventing arguments I never made.
I didn't say anything about whether the training data is stolen or not. I also didn't say a single word about intelligence, or originality.
I haven't been tricked into using one piece of language over another, I'm a software engineer and know enough about how these systems actually work to reach my own conclusions.
There is not a database tucked away in the LLM anywhere which you could search through and find the phrases which it was trained on, it simply doesn't exist.
That isn't to say it's completely impossible for an LLM to spit out something which formed part of the training data, but it's pretty rare. 99% of what it generates doesn't come from anywhere in particular, and you wouldn't find it in any of the sources which were fed to the model in training.
It's searched in training, tagged for use/topic then that info is processed and filtered through layers. So it's pre-searched if you will. Like meta tags in the early internet.
Then the data is processed into cells which queries flow through during generation.
99% of what it generates doesn't come from anywhere in particular, and you wouldn't find it in any of the sources which were fed to the model in training.
Yes it does - the fact that you in particular can't recognize from where it comes: doesn't matter. It's still using copywrited works.
Anyways you're an AI stan, and defending theft. You can deny it all day, but it's what you're doing. "It's okay, I'm a software engineer I'm allowed to defend it"
...as if being a software engineer doesn't stop you from also being a dumbass. Of course it doesn't.
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It's searched in training, tagged for use/topic then that info is processed and filtered through layers. So it's pre-searched if you will. Like meta tags in the early internet.
Then the data is processed into cells which queries flow through during generation.
99% of what it generates doesn't come from anywhere in particular, and you wouldn't find it in any of the sources which were fed to the model in training.
Yes it does - the fact that you in particular can't recognize from where it comes: doesn't matter. It's still using copywrited works.
Anyways you're an AI stan, and defending theft. You can deny it all day, but it's what you're doing. "It's okay, I'm a software engineer I'm allowed to defend it"
...as if being a software engineer doesn't stop you from also being a dumbass. Of course it doesn't.
You're still putting words in my mouth.
I never said they weren't stealing the data
I didn't comment on that at all, because it's not relevant to the point I was actually making, which is that people treating the output of an LLM as if it were derived from any factual source at all is really problematic, because it isn't.
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That bothers me too. Get an actual expert source to verify before you publish shit from randos on Twitter and Reddit.
In this case, it's as simple as "type it into ChatGPT, like the Reddit users did"
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Because the article is likely just more GenAI vomit, and an LLM doesn't have any degree of deductive reasoning ability to begin with.
TBH it's probably human written.
I used to write small articles for a tech news outlet on the side (HardOCP), and the entire site went under well before the AI boom because no one can compete with conveyer belts of of thoughtless SEO garbage, especially when Google promotes it.
Point being, this was a problem well before the rise of LLMs.
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In this case, it's as simple as "type it into ChatGPT, like the Reddit users did"
But that doesn't confirm or deny that Trumps formula came from ChatGPT, they could both be drawing from some other source.
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In this case, it's as simple as "type it into ChatGPT, like the Reddit users did"
"these lazy fucks in the government are using ai to come up with policy"
Also news outlet
"I am too lazy to do the laziest thing I'm angry about, even though it's my literal job"
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But that doesn't confirm or deny that Trumps formula came from ChatGPT, they could both be drawing from some other source.
You can generally toggle LLM "grounding" features, aka inserting web searches into their context.
Modern LLMs have a information "cutoff" of a few months ago, at the latest, so the base models will have zero awareness of this formula.
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The numbers come from an overly simple way to level out trade deficits.
So if I sell you $100 in goods and you sell me $120 dollars in goods, I'm "losing" money, therefore 20% tariff (tax to sell me something). In reality, you're going to increase your prices and sell me $140 worth of the same stuff.
All the AIs did was expand this to a global scale, what's insane to me is that the math adds up. It doesn't take an AI to do this though, some economics undergrad could come up with the same thing. Understanding the underlying methodology shows how it completely lacks nuance or understanding of how the world really works.
Isn't his weird formula the trade defecit percentage + Tariffs from that country divided by two?
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It was deep fried before being placed in the burger
HAMBERDER
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That bothers me too. Get an actual expert source to verify before you publish shit from randos on Twitter and Reddit.
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"these lazy fucks in the government are using ai to come up with policy"
Also news outlet
"I am too lazy to do the laziest thing I'm angry about, even though it's my literal job"
"News outlet" is a huge stretch. It's a crypto currency blog pretending to be news.
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Thanks, much appreciated.
