Young US men are joining Russian churches promising 'absurd levels of manliness'
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that's like 3 layers of scam: church, manliness and absurd levels
Maybe four, if you include Russian state-controlled church.
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Sort if like Chruch of England schism
The roots were more substantial. The political leadership in Moscow took offense when their religious leaders in Kiev (Kiev was the religious capital of their brand of Orthodoxy) went to the Council of Florence and agreed to union with the Catholic Church. Corrupt secular leadership in Moscow feared accountability to anyone so they deposed the Metropolitan (a type of bishop) of Kiev and then ordered the bishops of Moscow to elect their own patriarch. That's how it got started. And the Russian Orthodox are insane. Many go so far as to say that the Catholic Church has no valid sacraments at all. They frequently get in the way of restoration of union between Rome and other Eastern Orthodox but I feel like we've hit a break point where others in the east have had enough. It is time to say "NO" to Moscow. Your political organization masquerading as a religion has done enough harm. Go to the pits of hell where you belong.
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Manliness has always been a scam.
Source: me having grown up in the Balkans where manliness tends to reign supreme as a life goal
me having grown up in the Balkans where manliness tends to reign supreme as a life goal
And it's entangled with paranoid, exclusive nationalism of the worst sort. It's no wonder the women there like foreign guys.
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Not really. That was primarily because the king of England at the time (Henry VIII) wanted the freedom to divorce his wives and take new ones repeatedly - he literally asked the pope to annul his marriage and the pope told him no.
Well, he took that personally.
And the post-Tudor CoE lost interest in persecuting people fairly quickly, mainly Catholics and nonconformist Protestants. Past King Billy's time, they've just been lukewarm and mildly inclusive, like most other mainstream Protestant sects.
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JFC if someone is this worried about their "manliness" or lack thereof, there's really no hope for them.
Are you talking about me? How do you know? It's pure rumors anyway! I'm extremely manly, OK? My car makes a lot of noise, so yeah. I'm heterosexual btw
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So basically a church of assholes competing with each other to out asshole each other. Then they wonder why their kids don't talk to them and that "manliness" skips a generation. I am willing to bet these "absurdly manly" men are in the closet and over compensating.Using an iron is too feminine? Bitch if you want to be respected as a professional don't fucking show up in wrinkled ass clothes. Why do you think the army fucking irons? Because you look good in unwrinkled clothes. God dammit I am going on a rant again.
The army needs to look good?
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In college a woman remarked "I don't know many men manly enough to wear a pink shirt."
She hasn't seen rugby players in the south of France.
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IF you can be shamed into going a Russian church to be manly, you are headed in the opposite direction from the path to manliness - you become a pussy who can only follow.
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Watching gay porn is twice as manly as watching straight porn.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]I'm actually double straight because I was straight when I was supposedly a guy and now I'm a woman and still straight. checkmate, low T beta cucks bad to the bone guitar riff
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IF you can be shamed into going a Russian church to be manly, you are headed in the opposite direction from the path to manliness - you become a pussy who can only follow.
I didn't come here for MORE toxic masculinity and gender shaming. Sort your shit out.
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We need feminism but for men (which is a thing that kinda already exists but we need more)
In my opinion, as a man, feminism is for men. Feminism, at its core, is saying that strict gender roles are made up, and anyone is capable of being anyone. Men had a lot of freedom to do this already, though obviously a lot of things weren't allowed, like homosexuality, playing with other gendered clothing, or "queerness" in general as it used to be called.
A proper understanding of feminism I think would lead us all to recognizing we are free from the shackles of tradition, though the word makes a lot of people think it's only helping women, at the expense of men.
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I hope they are all dumb enough to move there for it.
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I really wish Russia would get it's shit together. It's a beautiful country that just goes on forever. I've met Russians that are just awesome. I would love to go on vacation there, or even retire there one day. Buy a little dacha on a river next to some sleepy little village. But the politics, fucking Putin, fucking oligarchs....
Has there ever been a period in history where Russians haven't been oppressed by their government or the church?
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There is no easy solution and the fact your dismissive and snarky reply is so upvoted is kind of proof that there is no fixing the situation anymore
The hard solution is to first deplatform their demagogues but since they make their media platforms ridiculous money, it isn't changing
There's also a significant possibility we simply won't be having real elections in America anymore so the chance to get progressive people in office to curb this is over
You got all mad for people posting no real solution and when given the chance, offered no real solution
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In my opinion, as a man, feminism is for men. Feminism, at its core, is saying that strict gender roles are made up, and anyone is capable of being anyone. Men had a lot of freedom to do this already, though obviously a lot of things weren't allowed, like homosexuality, playing with other gendered clothing, or "queerness" in general as it used to be called.
A proper understanding of feminism I think would lead us all to recognizing we are free from the shackles of tradition, though the word makes a lot of people think it's only helping women, at the expense of men.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]this is a nice way to look at it - but feminism isn't just a vague ideology, it's also a social movement that is designed for women and populated by women. men are at best allies in that space, and at worst viewed as the enemy, othered, and excluded.
i'll gladly id as a feminist ideologically but i'm not foolish enough to think i'd be welcomed with open arms at a feminist rally. tolerated? sure. but not part of the group.
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Pro tip: if you're worried about your manliness you should go to therapy not to church.
Probably would also talk hours with amazingly attractive women while in therapy too
I mean, there are ethical boundaries, but already more than a guy trying to find strength outside likely has
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The army needs to look good?
Yes. It's in their regulations. We're not talking in-the-heat-of-the-battle-dress code here. Although, I guess you could use a hot iron and the board as weapons in combat.
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Sounds like you're too manly for your iron. Try being a bit gayer next time.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]Try fucking your shirt. Nothing manlier than a man manhandling a piece of rag.
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Has there ever been a period in history where Russians haven't been oppressed by their government or the church?
1991-1993, 1906-1914
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I've heard that Russian Orthodox churches in the USA are not what they are in Russia, and are actually fine because of being removed from the hierarchy and kinda marginal, but, eh, manliness is anyway not what Christianity is generally about.
And "traditions" are no more ancient than in a Catholic church they can find or an Assyrian or an Armenian one.
Anyway, those stereotypes. Russians are very masculine to be a country whose economy mainly consists of selling oil and gas and other resources, some tech sector due to remnants of Soviet education and building nuclear stations. With prison population rivaling that of the USA. That's an "/s".
EDIT: And the article author knows about Oriental Orthodox and Eastern Orthodox being different things, but misses the clue and thinks they are variations of the same. Eastern Orthodox and Catholic are united by being, as it's sometimes called, Chalcedonean Christianity. Oriental Orthodox is all that split at that point, but not earlier.
