Young US men are joining Russian churches promising 'absurd levels of manliness'
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We need feminism but for men (which is a thing that kinda already exists but we need more)
In my opinion, as a man, feminism is for men. Feminism, at its core, is saying that strict gender roles are made up, and anyone is capable of being anyone. Men had a lot of freedom to do this already, though obviously a lot of things weren't allowed, like homosexuality, playing with other gendered clothing, or "queerness" in general as it used to be called.
A proper understanding of feminism I think would lead us all to recognizing we are free from the shackles of tradition, though the word makes a lot of people think it's only helping women, at the expense of men.
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I hope they are all dumb enough to move there for it.
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I really wish Russia would get it's shit together. It's a beautiful country that just goes on forever. I've met Russians that are just awesome. I would love to go on vacation there, or even retire there one day. Buy a little dacha on a river next to some sleepy little village. But the politics, fucking Putin, fucking oligarchs....
Has there ever been a period in history where Russians haven't been oppressed by their government or the church?
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There is no easy solution and the fact your dismissive and snarky reply is so upvoted is kind of proof that there is no fixing the situation anymore
The hard solution is to first deplatform their demagogues but since they make their media platforms ridiculous money, it isn't changing
There's also a significant possibility we simply won't be having real elections in America anymore so the chance to get progressive people in office to curb this is over
You got all mad for people posting no real solution and when given the chance, offered no real solution
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In my opinion, as a man, feminism is for men. Feminism, at its core, is saying that strict gender roles are made up, and anyone is capable of being anyone. Men had a lot of freedom to do this already, though obviously a lot of things weren't allowed, like homosexuality, playing with other gendered clothing, or "queerness" in general as it used to be called.
A proper understanding of feminism I think would lead us all to recognizing we are free from the shackles of tradition, though the word makes a lot of people think it's only helping women, at the expense of men.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]this is a nice way to look at it - but feminism isn't just a vague ideology, it's also a social movement that is designed for women and populated by women. men are at best allies in that space, and at worst viewed as the enemy, othered, and excluded.
i'll gladly id as a feminist ideologically but i'm not foolish enough to think i'd be welcomed with open arms at a feminist rally. tolerated? sure. but not part of the group.
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Pro tip: if you're worried about your manliness you should go to therapy not to church.
Probably would also talk hours with amazingly attractive women while in therapy too
I mean, there are ethical boundaries, but already more than a guy trying to find strength outside likely has
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The army needs to look good?
Yes. It's in their regulations. We're not talking in-the-heat-of-the-battle-dress code here. Although, I guess you could use a hot iron and the board as weapons in combat.
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Sounds like you're too manly for your iron. Try being a bit gayer next time.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]Try fucking your shirt. Nothing manlier than a man manhandling a piece of rag.
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Has there ever been a period in history where Russians haven't been oppressed by their government or the church?
1991-1993, 1906-1914
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I've heard that Russian Orthodox churches in the USA are not what they are in Russia, and are actually fine because of being removed from the hierarchy and kinda marginal, but, eh, manliness is anyway not what Christianity is generally about.
And "traditions" are no more ancient than in a Catholic church they can find or an Assyrian or an Armenian one.
Anyway, those stereotypes. Russians are very masculine to be a country whose economy mainly consists of selling oil and gas and other resources, some tech sector due to remnants of Soviet education and building nuclear stations. With prison population rivaling that of the USA. That's an "/s".
EDIT: And the article author knows about Oriental Orthodox and Eastern Orthodox being different things, but misses the clue and thinks they are variations of the same. Eastern Orthodox and Catholic are united by being, as it's sometimes called, Chalcedonean Christianity. Oriental Orthodox is all that split at that point, but not earlier.
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1991-1993, 1906-1914
While the dissolution of the Soviet union was great for the world, you would not have wanted to be a citizen of Russia living in Russia at that point. I have family members who still live there and did then and it was utter chaos and also created local power vacuums that got filled with local mafia style gangs or local police who also just acted like local mafia style gangs.
But yeah, as far as the federal government not shitting in Russians, that would be a proper window of time
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this is a nice way to look at it - but feminism isn't just a vague ideology, it's also a social movement that is designed for women and populated by women. men are at best allies in that space, and at worst viewed as the enemy, othered, and excluded.
i'll gladly id as a feminist ideologically but i'm not foolish enough to think i'd be welcomed with open arms at a feminist rally. tolerated? sure. but not part of the group.
I've been welcomed in feminist spaces. Don't try to take center stage or make it about you and you'll be fine in the vast majority of them.
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While the dissolution of the Soviet union was great for the world, you would not have wanted to be a citizen of Russia living in Russia at that point. I have family members who still live there and did then and it was utter chaos and also created local power vacuums that got filled with local mafia style gangs or local police who also just acted like local mafia style gangs.
But yeah, as far as the federal government not shitting in Russians, that would be a proper window of time
Well, now it's not utter chaos because one gang won.
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I've been welcomed in feminist spaces. Don't try to take center stage or make it about you and you'll be fine in the vast majority of them.
if you truly believe that, it says more about your own social awareness than it does about the feminist movement.
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Very interesting, but also very lazy reporting. They didn't ask Ukrainian-American Orthodox for example what they think. Ciril's "holy war" screetches are insane, when Ukraine is also an Orthodox country.
There are thousands upon thousands of Orthodox Christians in the US, yet the only non-Russian-aligned perspective in the whole article is this:
Elissa Bjeletich Davis, a former Protestant who now belongs to the Greek Orthodox Church in Austin, is a Sunday school teacher and has her own podcast. She says many converts belong to "the anti-woke crowd" and sometimes have strange ideas about their new faith - especially those in the Russian Church.
"They see it as a military, rigid, disciplinary, masculine, authoritarian religion," Elissa says. "It's kind of funny. It's almost as if the old American Puritans and their craziness is resurfacing."(RIP Elissa's inbox btw)
It's annoying to see the crazies monopolize the report. This is also American Orthodoxy:
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By the way, Ciril's deranged proclamations of "holy war" are ridiculous. Ukraine is also an Orthodox country.
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I didn't come here for MORE toxic masculinity and gender shaming. Sort your shit out.
Why does random lemmy user care what you came here for?
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You got all mad for people posting no real solution and when given the chance, offered no real solution
I literally gave the solution in the comment you replied to
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I literally gave the solution in the comment you replied to
I'm sure you think you did
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Oh yeah we got problems on the girl's side bit at least women aren't afraid soybeans is gonna take away their masculinity
The most dangerous beans.
