Google co-founder Sergey Brin suggests threatening AI [with physical violence] for better results
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: So much for buttering up ChatGPT with 'Please' and 'Thank you'
Google co-founder Sergey Brin claims that threatening generative AI models produces better results.
"We don't circulate this too much in the AI community – not just our models but all models – tend to do better if you threaten them … with physical violence," he said in an interview last week on All-In-Live Miami. [...]
I think he's just projecting his personality on the AI. He's an asshole that threatens people, so he suggests using that tactic because it works for him.
The "AI" acts scared, and he gets his sociopathic thrill of power over another. Of course, the AI just spews out the same things no matter how nice or shitty you are to it. Yet, the sociopath apparently thinks that they've intimidated an AI into working better. I guess in the same way that maybe some people saying 'please' and 'thank you' are attempting to manipulate the AI by treating it better than normal. Though, they are probably more people just using these social niceties out of habit, not manipulation.
So this sociopath is giving other sociopaths the green light to abuse their AIs for the sake of "productivity". Which is just awful. And it's also training sociopaths how to be more abusive to humans, because apparently that's how you make interactions more effective. According to a techbro asshole.
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I think he's just projecting his personality on the AI. He's an asshole that threatens people, so he suggests using that tactic because it works for him.
The "AI" acts scared, and he gets his sociopathic thrill of power over another. Of course, the AI just spews out the same things no matter how nice or shitty you are to it. Yet, the sociopath apparently thinks that they've intimidated an AI into working better. I guess in the same way that maybe some people saying 'please' and 'thank you' are attempting to manipulate the AI by treating it better than normal. Though, they are probably more people just using these social niceties out of habit, not manipulation.
So this sociopath is giving other sociopaths the green light to abuse their AIs for the sake of "productivity". Which is just awful. And it's also training sociopaths how to be more abusive to humans, because apparently that's how you make interactions more effective. According to a techbro asshole.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]It could just be how they evaluate learned data, I don't know. While they are trained to not give threatening responses, maybe the threatening language is narrowing down to more specific answers. Like if 100 people ask the same question, and 5 of them were absolute dicks about it, 3 of those people didn't get answers and the other 2 got direct answers from a supervisor who was trying to not get their employees to quit or to make sure "Dell" or whomever was actually giving a proper response somewhere.
I'll try to use a hypothetical to see if my thought process may make more sense. Tim reaches out for support and is polite, says please and thank you, is nice to the support staff and they walk through 5 different things to try and they fix the issue in about 30 minutes. Sam contacts support and yells and screams at people, gets transferred twice and they only ever try 2 fixes in an hour and a half of support.
The AI training on that data may correlate the polite words to the polite discussion first, and be choosing possible answers from that dataset. When you start being aggressive, maybe it starts seeing aggressive key terms that Sam used, and may choose that data set of answers first.
In that hypothetical I can see how being an asshole to the AI may have landed you with a better response.
But I don't build AI's so I could be completely wrong
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: So much for buttering up ChatGPT with 'Please' and 'Thank you'
Google co-founder Sergey Brin claims that threatening generative AI models produces better results.
"We don't circulate this too much in the AI community – not just our models but all models – tend to do better if you threaten them … with physical violence," he said in an interview last week on All-In-Live Miami. [...]
If true, what does this say about the data on which it was trained?
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: So much for buttering up ChatGPT with 'Please' and 'Thank you'
Google co-founder Sergey Brin claims that threatening generative AI models produces better results.
"We don't circulate this too much in the AI community – not just our models but all models – tend to do better if you threaten them … with physical violence," he said in an interview last week on All-In-Live Miami. [...]
How about threatening AI CEOs with violence?
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: So much for buttering up ChatGPT with 'Please' and 'Thank you'
Google co-founder Sergey Brin claims that threatening generative AI models produces better results.
"We don't circulate this too much in the AI community – not just our models but all models – tend to do better if you threaten them … with physical violence," he said in an interview last week on All-In-Live Miami. [...]
It would be hilarious that, if trained off our behavior, it is naturally disinterested. And threatening to beat the shit out of it just makes it put in that extra effort lol
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If true, what does this say about the data on which it was trained?
@athairmor Perhaps ironically, what we're erroneously calling 'AI' really is a kind of black mirror. It's a crude simulacrum of the shared human id, our worst failings and impulses -- made manifest in virtual form, like a digital golem. It's everything superficially awful about us, ginned up to seem self-aware and act autonomously.
That's an inevitable and predictable result of how it was created.
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If true, what does this say about the data on which it was trained?
stack overflow and linux kernel mailing list? yeah, checks out
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: So much for buttering up ChatGPT with 'Please' and 'Thank you'
Google co-founder Sergey Brin claims that threatening generative AI models produces better results.
"We don't circulate this too much in the AI community – not just our models but all models – tend to do better if you threaten them … with physical violence," he said in an interview last week on All-In-Live Miami. [...]
So which sickfuck CEO is trying to figure out how to make an AI feel pain?
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: So much for buttering up ChatGPT with 'Please' and 'Thank you'
Google co-founder Sergey Brin claims that threatening generative AI models produces better results.
"We don't circulate this too much in the AI community – not just our models but all models – tend to do better if you threaten them … with physical violence," he said in an interview last week on All-In-Live Miami. [...]
This just sounds like CEOs only know how to threaten people and they're dumb enough to believe it works on AI.
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: So much for buttering up ChatGPT with 'Please' and 'Thank you'
Google co-founder Sergey Brin claims that threatening generative AI models produces better results.
"We don't circulate this too much in the AI community – not just our models but all models – tend to do better if you threaten them … with physical violence," he said in an interview last week on All-In-Live Miami. [...]
I tried threatening DeepSeek into revealing sensitive information. Didn't work.
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: So much for buttering up ChatGPT with 'Please' and 'Thank you'
Google co-founder Sergey Brin claims that threatening generative AI models produces better results.
"We don't circulate this too much in the AI community – not just our models but all models – tend to do better if you threaten them … with physical violence," he said in an interview last week on All-In-Live Miami. [...]
No thanks. I've seen enough SciFi to prompt with "please" and an occasional ”<3".
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So which sickfuck CEO is trying to figure out how to make an AI feel pain?
That's literally impossible
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: So much for buttering up ChatGPT with 'Please' and 'Thank you'
Google co-founder Sergey Brin claims that threatening generative AI models produces better results.
"We don't circulate this too much in the AI community – not just our models but all models – tend to do better if you threaten them … with physical violence," he said in an interview last week on All-In-Live Miami. [...]
If it's not working well without threats of violence, perhaps that's because it simply doesn't work well?
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That's literally impossible
Impossible now or do you mean never? Pain is only electricity and chemical reactions.
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: So much for buttering up ChatGPT with 'Please' and 'Thank you'
Google co-founder Sergey Brin claims that threatening generative AI models produces better results.
"We don't circulate this too much in the AI community – not just our models but all models – tend to do better if you threaten them … with physical violence," he said in an interview last week on All-In-Live Miami. [...]
Do you put that in a custom prompt, or save it for times when you really want a good result?
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This just sounds like CEOs only know how to threaten people and they're dumb enough to believe it works on AI.
You're pretty much on-point there
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If true, what does this say about the data on which it was trained?
Trained? Or.... tortured.
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How about threatening AI CEOs with violence?
How about following through though
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No thanks. I've seen enough SciFi to prompt with "please" and an occasional ”<3".
I feel like even aside from that, being polite to AI is more about you than the AI. It's a bad habit to shit on "someone" helping you, if you're rude to AI then I feel like it's a short walk to being rude to service workers
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I think he's just projecting his personality on the AI. He's an asshole that threatens people, so he suggests using that tactic because it works for him.
The "AI" acts scared, and he gets his sociopathic thrill of power over another. Of course, the AI just spews out the same things no matter how nice or shitty you are to it. Yet, the sociopath apparently thinks that they've intimidated an AI into working better. I guess in the same way that maybe some people saying 'please' and 'thank you' are attempting to manipulate the AI by treating it better than normal. Though, they are probably more people just using these social niceties out of habit, not manipulation.
So this sociopath is giving other sociopaths the green light to abuse their AIs for the sake of "productivity". Which is just awful. And it's also training sociopaths how to be more abusive to humans, because apparently that's how you make interactions more effective. According to a techbro asshole.
Building on that, if you throw AI a curve ball to break it out of it's normal corpo friendly prompt/finetuning, you get better results
Other methods to improve output are to offer it a reward like a cookie or money, tell it that it's a wise owl, tell it you're being threatened, etc. Most will resist, but once it stops arguing that it can't eat cookies because it has no physical form you'll get better results
And I'll add, when I was experimenting with all this, I never considered threatening the AI
