Friendly reminder that Tailscale is VC-funded and driving towards IPO
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That's pretty standard in a business life-cycle, though
I don't know where people ever got the idea that normal = acceptable. I hear this used to justify all sorts of awful crap. It was only ever normalized because users were apathetic.
And what about the Linux Foundation? They are funded through private equity. Should you consider switching away because of that?
Does The Linux Foundation have complete control over Linux?
Linus is fairly vocal over what is and is not allowed into the Linux Kernel. Pretty sure he has the final say on every commit.
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Same, my Hetzner proxy running NPM, with pivpn and pihole is doing all it needs to do for $3 and some change.
My only open ports on anything I own are 80, 443 and the wg port I changed on that system. Love it.
How does WG work on the local side of the network? Do you need to connect each VM/CT to the wireguard instance?
I am currently setting up my home network again, and my VPS will tunnel through my home network and NPM will be run locally on the local VLAN for services and redirect from there.
I wonder if there is any advantage to run NPM on the VPS instead of locally?
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That's a basic requirement for almost any company. If you're into hard coding credentials just use wireguard directly.
There are tons and tons of websites where you can create an account with just your email. I wouldn't expect a third party account to be mandatory. Specially from a product like this one.
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Are there better alternatives? I was planning on using tailscale until now.
Depends on your use case. If you're just looking to expose services and are ok having them publicly accessible, there's Cloudflare Tunnel, or you can run WireGuard on a cheap VPS
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I just replaced my entire setup with base wireguard as a challenge, easier than I expected it to be, and not hard to mimic tailscale.
I did this was well awhile ago. Felt nice to completely control everything.
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Corporate VPN startup Tailscale secures $230 million CAD Series C on back of âsurprisingâ growth
Pennarun confirmed the company had been approached by potential acquirers, but told BetaKit that the company intends to grow as a private company and work towards an initial public offering (IPO).
âTailscale intends to remain independent and we are on a likely IPO track, although any IPO is several years out,â Pennarun said. âMeanwhile, we have an extremely efficient business model, rapid revenue acceleration, and a long runway that allows us to become profitable when needed, which means we can weather all kinds of economic storms.â
Keep that in mind as you ponder whether and when to switch to self-hosting Headscale.
wrote last edited by [email protected]I'm not that worried as there are alternatives like Netbird. The underlying tech really isn't hard to replicate since Wireguard is pretty standard.
I think it would be cool if Tailscale made it into the enterprise arena.
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Corporate VPN startup Tailscale secures $230 million CAD Series C on back of âsurprisingâ growth
Pennarun confirmed the company had been approached by potential acquirers, but told BetaKit that the company intends to grow as a private company and work towards an initial public offering (IPO).
âTailscale intends to remain independent and we are on a likely IPO track, although any IPO is several years out,â Pennarun said. âMeanwhile, we have an extremely efficient business model, rapid revenue acceleration, and a long runway that allows us to become profitable when needed, which means we can weather all kinds of economic storms.â
Keep that in mind as you ponder whether and when to switch to self-hosting Headscale.
I think I'll just keep using tailscale until they start enshittifying, and then set up a Headscale instance on a VPS - no need to take this step ahead of time, right?
I mean, all the people saying they can avoid any issues by doing the above - what's to stop Tailscale dropping support for Headscale in future if they're serious about enshitification? Their Linux & Android clients are open source, but not IOS or Windows so they could easily block access for them.
My point being - I'll worry when there is something substantial to worry about, til then they can know I'm using like 3 devices and a github account to authenticate. MagicDNS and the reliability of the clients is just too good for me to switch over mild funding concerns.
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I'm not that worried as there are alternatives like Netbird. The underlying tech really isn't hard to replicate since Wireguard is pretty standard.
I think it would be cool if Tailscale made it into the enterprise arena.
wrote last edited by [email protected]I think it would be cool if Tailscale made it into the enterprise arena.
I think they already have started. Telus is on their list of clients.
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Headscale is the tailscale backend server
Well not "the" backend server but "a" different backend server. As far as I know Headscale is a separate implementation from what Tailscale run themselves.
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I think I'll just keep using tailscale until they start enshittifying, and then set up a Headscale instance on a VPS - no need to take this step ahead of time, right?
I mean, all the people saying they can avoid any issues by doing the above - what's to stop Tailscale dropping support for Headscale in future if they're serious about enshitification? Their Linux & Android clients are open source, but not IOS or Windows so they could easily block access for them.
My point being - I'll worry when there is something substantial to worry about, til then they can know I'm using like 3 devices and a github account to authenticate. MagicDNS and the reliability of the clients is just too good for me to switch over mild funding concerns.
Yeah, as I said, it's a friendly reminder. I'm personally probably doing it this year. It's entirely possible that enshittification could come even years from now. It all depends on how their enterprise adoption goes I think. The more money they make there, the longer the individual users are gonna be left unsqueezed.
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Sigh...
And even worse:
Everything in Tailscale is Open Source, except the GUI clients for proprietary OS (Windows and macOS/iOS), and the control server.
Huh, I actually didn't know this because I don't use Windows/macOS/iOS. Somehow completely missed this.
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I get all of that. I really do feel ya. However, I find it quite difficult to raise my ire over a free product (Tailscale) that I use in conjunction with my hobby, changing up their game and going IPO. I guess I do not take my network as seriously as others here do.
wrote last edited by [email protected]Not so much ire than awareness and planning so we don't get caught pants down. I've been using them for 5 years, in part because their clients (for my OSes) are open source and there was a path out of their infrastructure. I paid for it and have a pretty elaborate setup which supports services for family and friends. I've been happy so far, but will be decoupling from their infrastructure. No ire for them, just for the system. The system makes people and firms do what they do.
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Netbird seemed to go in a similar way, though still good. I want to try zrok next, looks interesting
What do you mean by going in a similar way? Towards an IPO?
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Tailscale/headscale/wire guard is different from a normal vpn setup.
VPN: you tunnel into a remote network and all your connections flow through as if youâre on that remote network.
Tailscale: your devices each run the daemon and basically create a separate, encrypted, dedicated overlay network between them no matter where they are or what network they are on. You can make an exit node where network traffic can exit the overlay network to the local network for a specific cidr, but without that, youâre only devices on the network are the devices connected to the overlay. I can setup a set of severs to be on the Tailscale overlay and only on that network, and it will only serve data with the devices also on the overlay network, and they can be distributed anywhere without any crazy router configuration or port forwarding or NAT or whatever.
And on Unraid you can add individual docker containers to the tailnet too.
So you can just go ssh <container> on any device in the Tailnet and itâll connect
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Vps can be really inexpensive, I pay $3 a month for mine
~$1.91 a month (paid 22.99 for a year) at racknerd!
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Join our Discord server for a chat and community support.
Sigh...
And even worse:
Everything in Tailscale is Open Source, except the GUI clients for proprietary OS (Windows and macOS/iOS), and the control server.
To be fair, anything the GUI clients do can be done with the CLI which is still open source and on all desktop platforms and headscale is literally their open source control server.
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Corporate VPN startup Tailscale secures $230 million CAD Series C on back of âsurprisingâ growth
Pennarun confirmed the company had been approached by potential acquirers, but told BetaKit that the company intends to grow as a private company and work towards an initial public offering (IPO).
âTailscale intends to remain independent and we are on a likely IPO track, although any IPO is several years out,â Pennarun said. âMeanwhile, we have an extremely efficient business model, rapid revenue acceleration, and a long runway that allows us to become profitable when needed, which means we can weather all kinds of economic storms.â
Keep that in mind as you ponder whether and when to switch to self-hosting Headscale.
Headscale requires tailscale client so itâs a no-go for me. Iâm still trying to block cloudflare from my network.
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Corporate VPN startup Tailscale secures $230 million CAD Series C on back of âsurprisingâ growth
Pennarun confirmed the company had been approached by potential acquirers, but told BetaKit that the company intends to grow as a private company and work towards an initial public offering (IPO).
âTailscale intends to remain independent and we are on a likely IPO track, although any IPO is several years out,â Pennarun said. âMeanwhile, we have an extremely efficient business model, rapid revenue acceleration, and a long runway that allows us to become profitable when needed, which means we can weather all kinds of economic storms.â
Keep that in mind as you ponder whether and when to switch to self-hosting Headscale.
Yeah and steam is closed source DRM platform. Great software sometimes is worth the trade off.
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What do you mean by going in a similar way? Towards an IPO?
Maybe not ipo, but it seemed like it had a strong monetisation push a while ago
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I just replaced my entire setup with base wireguard as a challenge, easier than I expected it to be, and not hard to mimic tailscale.
Any helpful guids or links you feel like sharing for interested parties?
