Netherlands: 18 year old Ryan al-Najjar was tied up, beaten, and drowned by her father and brothers for being too Westernized
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According to the Human Rights Commission of Pakistan, over 470 cases of honour killings were reported in Pakistan in 2021. But human rights defenders estimate that around 1,000 women are murdered in the name of honour every year.[3][4]
I was talking about state executions for adultery, which now that I think about it was not clear from the wording so apologies for that. I was trying to provide an example of how Islam delegitimizes the practice by making it almost impossible to meet the legal criteria for it, but as I said this is ultimately a cultural practice so without strong state intervention it's not going anywhere, no matter what the religion actually says.
I don't know, maybe they just fucking lie?
Prosecution does have to verify the witnesses' accounts, and falsely accusing someone of extramarital sex gets you 80 lashes, so it's not quite that simple.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]Sounds like moving the goalposts a little bit, no? Why did you have to specify "for adultery" when we're talking about the general concept of honor killings?
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It has less to do with religion and more to do with culture
No. It's far right religious extremism....
You're taking the actions of the most extreme 0.001% and using a label that applies to literally billions of people...
It's hard to believe someone cant logically understand that
wrote on last edited by [email protected]You are clueless about Islam. Please read the freaking Quran and the Hadiths there you have all the info you need, this religion is extremist by it's own nature. You seem stuck in the something something racism, Islam is not a race by the way, it is another flavor of far right but on steroids, which happened to be enemies of the Christian far right, but the enemy of our enemy is not our friend. How the left is defending this particular religion is crazy.
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Where can I read about the honor killings on English in detail: with rules, code, persecution of such practice? I'm not well versed in muslim-esque topics, so I can tell if sources are good or garbage only by my own intuition and it's unreliable.
They're not called honor killings in Islam; you're looking for hudood for the general category including punishment for illegal sexual conduct (known as Zina). The latter article has the rules you're asking for.
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Sounds like moving the goalposts a little bit, no? Why did you have to specify "for adultery" when we're talking about the general concept of honor killings?
Because that's the only case in which sexual conduct warrants death in Islam. As for the rest it's straight up not a thing. As I said Islam pretty explicitly states that cases such as the woman in the article aren't to be punished by death. The punishment is lashing if you can meet the (again, nearly impossible) standard of proof.
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What you're doing is lessening the importance of a reported fact due to its source. And that's real problematic!
wrote on last edited by [email protected]No. There may be reliable sources available instead. Racist media should not be referenced in any way except critically. They deserve no platform.
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Because that's the only case in which sexual conduct warrants death in Islam. As for the rest it's straight up not a thing. As I said Islam pretty explicitly states that cases such as the woman in the article aren't to be punished by death. The punishment is lashing if you can meet the (again, nearly impossible) standard of proof.
And yet, here we are...
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The religion of peace. Damn.
The religion prescribes death for being too westernized?
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The religion prescribes death for being too westernized?
Maybe not directly for "being too Western" but certainly it's the one providing the moral framework for allowing murder for ideological and behavioural differences.
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It’s true, happened a year ago. It’s a shit show. Fucking asshole admitted but too much of a coward to do time. Fled back to his “unsafe” country to be safe.
Hell with the former Al Nusra in power, he can put that on his CV and get a job with the police, handling domestic abuse.
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Fair but other sources also cover it:
https://nltimes.nl/2025/02/07/18-year-old-honor-killing-victim-tied-drowned-lelystad-prosecutors-sayhttps://www.atheistrepublic.com/news/fatal-traditions-shocking-honor-killing-netherlands
Edit: I've added these sources to the post
wrote on last edited by [email protected]I'm not sure if those sources are any better since I can't find anything about them. According to the other comment, there should be other articles about this case since it was on their national news for some time.
Also, some of those articles are dated from 1 year ago. Is there a reason you're posting this now, such as new updates? Else it would be against the community rules
Edit: The articles I found suggest that the father admitted to it, while the brothers deny involvement and there is another hearing coming up. What I found weird though was the screenshot states the brothers involvement as a fact.
I looked around for the logo on the screenshot, and it seems to be this organization
https://catalyticministries.com/
This other source (which I'm also unfamiliar with) points out that this organization is controversial
https://ministrywatch.com/global-catalytic-ministries-hides-behind-veil-of-secrecy/
It also summarizes the purpose of the org above:
GCM offers varying descriptions of its work, many of them characterized by grandiose but unverified claims, such as “transforming Muslims worldwide,” “750 churches planted throughout the Middle East and Central Asia,” and “bringing disciple-making methods to the West to build a decentralized network of discipleship communities that will prepare America for the end time harvest.”
Which makes the source seem, less credible...
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I'm not sure if those sources are any better since I can't find anything about them. According to the other comment, there should be other articles about this case since it was on their national news for some time.
Also, some of those articles are dated from 1 year ago. Is there a reason you're posting this now, such as new updates? Else it would be against the community rules
Edit: The articles I found suggest that the father admitted to it, while the brothers deny involvement and there is another hearing coming up. What I found weird though was the screenshot states the brothers involvement as a fact.
I looked around for the logo on the screenshot, and it seems to be this organization
https://catalyticministries.com/
This other source (which I'm also unfamiliar with) points out that this organization is controversial
https://ministrywatch.com/global-catalytic-ministries-hides-behind-veil-of-secrecy/
It also summarizes the purpose of the org above:
GCM offers varying descriptions of its work, many of them characterized by grandiose but unverified claims, such as “transforming Muslims worldwide,” “750 churches planted throughout the Middle East and Central Asia,” and “bringing disciple-making methods to the West to build a decentralized network of discipleship communities that will prepare America for the end time harvest.”
Which makes the source seem, less credible...
This is from 4 days ago.
https://nltimes.nl/2025/06/30/brothers-still-deny-involvement-18-year-old-sisters-honor-killingI only learnt about it today
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This is from 4 days ago.
https://nltimes.nl/2025/06/30/brothers-still-deny-involvement-18-year-old-sisters-honor-killingI only learnt about it today
wrote on last edited by [email protected]Ah ok, you might want to update the post title and URL fields with this article's link and the article's title. Else the mods will likely remove it, see the community rules
The article you linked doesn't confirm the current title you have up
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Back to Syria then
wrote on last edited by [email protected]Not "back to Syria" but "how to get him back from Syria, where he has presumably fled", if you read the article.
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And yet, here we are...
I mean, yes, because people are horrible and culture has a way of trumping religion. "Honor" killings are a thing in the Middle East and South Asia to varying degrees and I hate it, but Islam is—if anything—a restraining force on such actions and a framework within which people who commit them can be punished.
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Why go back to Syria when you can forever box?
wrote on last edited by [email protected]Yes, let's meme a lot, that will help everyone understand what is going on.
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A Syrian refugee who fled to the Netherlands has reportedly confessed to murdering his 18-year-old daughter and dumping her body in a canal before fleeing the country in an apparent admission note sent to a Dutch newspaper.
Father-of-nine Khaled al-Najjar, 52, wrote in an email sent to De Telegraaf that he had killed his 18-year-old daughter Ryan al-Najjar, urging the publication to report 'I am the one who killed'.
The confession did not specify exactly why he had decided to murder his daughter, with al-Najjar writing only that he was 'very angry with her', adding: 'The reason is between me and the judge. I will read that in court'.
But neighbours and friends suspect Ryan's death came as the result of an honour killing, with one claiming they had previously sheltered her when she had fled the family home in fear of retribution from her father.
Requesting anonymity to prevent any backlash, they told De Telegraaf that Ryan had a Dutch boyfriend, wanted to stop wearing a headscarf and had been beaten by her father who disagreed with her adoption of a Western lifestyle.
Source:
Killed for not acting the way men expect them to act? That sounds pretty USian to be honest.
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Ah ok, you might want to update the post title and URL fields with this article's link and the article's title. Else the mods will likely remove it, see the community rules
The article you linked doesn't confirm the current title you have up
Thanks will do
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I mean, yes, because people are horrible and culture has a way of trumping religion. "Honor" killings are a thing in the Middle East and South Asia to varying degrees and I hate it, but Islam is—if anything—a restraining force on such actions and a framework within which people who commit them can be punished.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]Do the people committing these acts typically deny that their religious views played a role (or were the sole reason) for what they did?
I'm sorry, I just don't buy it. We know how Islam generally treats women in practice. We know how they view chastity. We know how some of them feel about girls even going to school.
Why else would they murder their child, if not because of their religious views?
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Only religions give permission for people to kill their children.
Don't think that this is the only religion that does this. They all do. They all do this shit. "My fictional god is more important than my child". "No matter what I do, my fictional god will forgive me!"
It's fucking disgusting, and you are too if you support religions.
But abortion? Can't do that, you're killing a child!
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I'm not sure if those sources are any better since I can't find anything about them. According to the other comment, there should be other articles about this case since it was on their national news for some time.
Also, some of those articles are dated from 1 year ago. Is there a reason you're posting this now, such as new updates? Else it would be against the community rules
Edit: The articles I found suggest that the father admitted to it, while the brothers deny involvement and there is another hearing coming up. What I found weird though was the screenshot states the brothers involvement as a fact.
I looked around for the logo on the screenshot, and it seems to be this organization
https://catalyticministries.com/
This other source (which I'm also unfamiliar with) points out that this organization is controversial
https://ministrywatch.com/global-catalytic-ministries-hides-behind-veil-of-secrecy/
It also summarizes the purpose of the org above:
GCM offers varying descriptions of its work, many of them characterized by grandiose but unverified claims, such as “transforming Muslims worldwide,” “750 churches planted throughout the Middle East and Central Asia,” and “bringing disciple-making methods to the West to build a decentralized network of discipleship communities that will prepare America for the end time harvest.”
Which makes the source seem, less credible...
@[email protected] I've added some more context around the screenshot. Would you be able to replace it with your recent article link?
