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what precisely do you think robots exist for?
We do not exist in a world with technology sufficient to entirely eliminate labor. Even highly automated industry like in the PRC, labor-power is still paramount for production. A transition to socialism can allow us to better direct production consciously, rather than letting the eldritch god capital decide everything based on profitability, but we will not be able to eliminate labor, only center it, rather than capital.
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I feel you.
Let me play devil's advocate tho and say:
You can still do this if you really want to and you have at least double the life expectancy. I think we have become too good at entertainment and have collectively fried our dopamine receptors with instant reward, therefore making mundane work unbearable.Where does this myth come from?
https://sc.edu/uofsc/posts/2022/08/conversation-old-age-is-not-a-modern-phenomenon.php
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Where does this myth come from?
https://sc.edu/uofsc/posts/2022/08/conversation-old-age-is-not-a-modern-phenomenon.php
I know that life expectancy was mostly low because of infant mortality. Still the advancements in medicine cannot be denied.
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I feel you.
Let me play devil's advocate tho and say:
You can still do this if you really want to and you have at least double the life expectancy. I think we have become too good at entertainment and have collectively fried our dopamine receptors with instant reward, therefore making mundane work unbearable.Ehh, it is not that our dopamine receptors are fried. We are all wired to seek out information. But most of what we get is starving us for actual useful information so we have to wade through an endless sea of slop. The "instant gratification" is largely us not wanting to deal with the bullshit and get straight to what is useful.
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In order to replace all work you would need generic purpose robots, hence my line about what you are implying.
Even with all the automation we have now, people still work.
are you being intentionally obtuse? yes obviously we don't have androids that can do ALL the work for us, but we have robots that can do a hell of a lot of work for us, and especially the laborious and monotonous work.
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If by vibe for the rest of the time you mean constantly watch for various forms of life threatening danger. Then sure.
Still a better time than constantly watching out for Manager Mark.
Yeah, or maybe "rest of the time" is literally when you're sleeping, because you spent 16 hours searching for berries, with maybe an hour or two nap when the sun was high. Life was certainly not easier a few hundred years ago, whether you lived in some community or were nomadic or whatever. Wherever it was, it was work, and it's work now, except where my work used to benefit me and my family and perhaps my community, now it buys some dude a yacht, and a private jet, and some wineries in Napa Valley. But I get to watch Netflix, so it's a fair trade.
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If by vibe for the rest of the time you mean constantly watch for various forms of life threatening danger. Then sure.
Still a better time than constantly watching out for Manager Mark.
That is just kinda vibing. Don't know bout you but between my instincts and paranoia keeping watch for threats is a relatively calm vibe.
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Right. We'd still need to build houses, but it could be a thing you do with your friends for fun, because building stuff is fun and if it wasnt, kids wouldnt play with legos or sand castles. Then you watch/help the new residents move in. Maybe compete in a local construction crew league if you still need hierarchy and ego motivation.
Hell you could still have specialists even, just instead of it being Steve who only knows how to build cookie cutter housing it's Irish who is obsessed with mid 200s Hispano-Roman architecture. Or maybe it's both of them working in harmony to create something truly horrifying.
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In order to replace all work you would need generic purpose robots, hence my line about what you are implying.
Even with all the automation we have now, people still work.
If we pushed to fully automate everything that possibly can be automated, there wouldn't be much work left. Jobs right now are just busywork.
The news drones on and on about labor shortages, but I've never seen a desperate employer. The trades say there's shortages, but all the trades are flooded with apprentices, and then there's pre-apprentices flooded in behind them. Office jobs have to sort through hundreds of applications for a single opening. Hell, even low wage jobs have huge labor pools ready to work, but the owners still find a way to nitpick. Things are horrifically upside down.
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I know that life expectancy was mostly low because of infant mortality. Still the advancements in medicine cannot be denied.
True, but the advancements boil down to late 19th century ideas like "wash your hands after the autopsy before delivering Ms Green's baby", which the medical establishment pushed hard against at the time. Tells you a lot about the medical mindset...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignaz_Semmelweis
"Despite his research, Semmelweis's observations conflicted with the established scientific and medical opinions of the time and his ideas were rejected by the medical community. He could offer no theoretical explanation for his findings of reduced mortality due to hand-washing, and some doctors were offended at the suggestion that they should wash their hands and mocked him for it."
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I feel you.
Let me play devil's advocate tho and say:
You can still do this if you really want to and you have at least double the life expectancy. I think we have become too good at entertainment and have collectively fried our dopamine receptors with instant reward, therefore making mundane work unbearable.making mundane work unbearable.
Finding joy in the quiet time doing the mundane work I CARE about (lots of yard work, construction, and taking care of my animals) is some of the most important meditative-type time that I spend, I have learned.
It makes work more bearable to more enjoyable when I can find a similar mental state, listening to the same music, etc.
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Hell you could still have specialists even, just instead of it being Steve who only knows how to build cookie cutter housing it's Irish who is obsessed with mid 200s Hispano-Roman architecture. Or maybe it's both of them working in harmony to create something truly horrifying.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]Or sam who only knows curry, painting (but not playing) wh40k miniatures, and rococo architecture. Their husband and sister drag them out to their construction team (in a local league) because they need to get outside, and because they have most of a mechanical engineering degree and can paint and add ornamentation (gotta get those bonus pooints!) faster than anyone else in the county.
Yes those are space marines carved into the moulding. What about it? Would you rather have orks? The house nextdoor has orks, nobodys claimed that one yet. You could still switch.
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Or sam who only knows curry, painting (but not playing) wh40k miniatures, and rococo architecture. Their husband and sister drag them out to their construction team (in a local league) because they need to get outside, and because they have most of a mechanical engineering degree and can paint and add ornamentation (gotta get those bonus pooints!) faster than anyone else in the county.
Yes those are space marines carved into the moulding. What about it? Would you rather have orks? The house nextdoor has orks, nobodys claimed that one yet. You could still switch.
As much as I am loathed to use the comparison I'm just imagining a house absolutely full of little easter eggs like a particularly autistic version of hidden Mickey. You stare at the bathroom tiles for too long and realize that it's a repeating pattern of the Alpha Legion hydra, there an Enclave symbol in the light fixture, and if you open the pantry at exactly 3 am you hear Karl Franz shouting "Summon the elector counts!".
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I know that life expectancy was mostly low because of infant mortality. Still the advancements in medicine cannot be denied.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]And if you applied modern medicine to hunter gatherers, yeah. They'd live longer.
But it barely counteracts the negative effects of the trash we eat the horror we live and the toxic squalor we do it in.
