Anon is Illiterate
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That is so crazy for me on a personal level because I'm the exact opposite. My brain has a really hard time processing auditory instructions.
Seriously, written guide > > > > > > > video guide
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No one’s talking about anon’s weird assumption that authors go from idea directly to manga, and not that most authors start by writing a novel to attract a sponsor.
Shhhh, that would require actual understanding of the culture and not just laziness.
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That is so crazy for me on a personal level because I'm the exact opposite. My brain has a really hard time processing auditory instructions.
This is also a great example of how, even if there are no disabilities involved, everyone has different learning styles. Some people just process information differently.
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I read a lot of science fiction, and a younger friends at work frequently asked me for recommendations, and he liked talking about the books after reading them. At some point I found out that he exclusively consumes them as audiobooks, which is fine and I didn't think much about it. Some years down the line, when I was getting ready to retire, I had to pass on things to him. There was enough of it that, in addition to working elbow-to-elbow with him, I documented all the details in some long emails. When we meet, I'd say "The details are in the email," and focus on explaining the big picture.
It became obvious that he never read the emails. When I talked to him about it, he admitted that he really struggles with any long block of text. The guy is really smart, and he knows a lot about a lot of things, but he gets all his info from audio and video because struggles to consume text. There's clearly some kind of learning/mental issue going on there. It's going to make the job tough for him, but I hope he works it out.
Something else I forgot to mention was a concept that I learned in the military called BLUF: Bottom Line Up Front. The idea is that most people aren't going to read past the first sentence or two before skipping to the end so you better get the absolutely critical information out right away; before your reader gets bored/decides they have more pressing matters to deal with. I would regularly see emails that started with a summary before even the salutations.
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I read a lot of science fiction, and a younger friends at work frequently asked me for recommendations, and he liked talking about the books after reading them. At some point I found out that he exclusively consumes them as audiobooks, which is fine and I didn't think much about it. Some years down the line, when I was getting ready to retire, I had to pass on things to him. There was enough of it that, in addition to working elbow-to-elbow with him, I documented all the details in some long emails. When we meet, I'd say "The details are in the email," and focus on explaining the big picture.
It became obvious that he never read the emails. When I talked to him about it, he admitted that he really struggles with any long block of text. The guy is really smart, and he knows a lot about a lot of things, but he gets all his info from audio and video because struggles to consume text. There's clearly some kind of learning/mental issue going on there. It's going to make the job tough for him, but I hope he works it out.
Google Gemini will turn a block of text into a podcast convo to help people with this particular quirk. Have him try it out
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Google Gemini will turn a block of text into a podcast convo to help people with this particular quirk. Have him try it out
Audio input of information is many factors slower than reading can be. Better to try and fix a reading problem.
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Anon has aphantasia
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Google Gemini will turn a block of text into a podcast convo to help people with this particular quirk. Have him try it out
The text in question would be behind a firewall, but I believe there's a corporate LLM now. I'll suggest it.
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Something else I forgot to mention was a concept that I learned in the military called BLUF: Bottom Line Up Front. The idea is that most people aren't going to read past the first sentence or two before skipping to the end so you better get the absolutely critical information out right away; before your reader gets bored/decides they have more pressing matters to deal with. I would regularly see emails that started with a summary before even the salutations.
Oh, yes, we use BLUF at work a lot, but it's not really useful if you're trying to pass along detailed knowledge.
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That is so crazy for me on a personal level because I'm the exact opposite. My brain has a really hard time processing auditory instructions.
I'm good with distilling information in whatever form, but I do get impatient with audio/video sometimes. I can read faster than people talk, so I want the audio to go faster. I've tried upping the playback speed, but we encode a lot of information in the pauses and cadence of speech, and the faster playback screws with the perception of that. Doing that is fine for technical information, but I don't care for it with a novel.
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The text in question would be behind a firewall, but I believe there's a corporate LLM now. I'll suggest it.
The Gemini podcast is going to condense your text and make it conversational, but it will necessarily lose detail in the process. A better recommendation is the Eleven Labs Reader, it'll just read any text or file you throw at it with top tier voice models. Can use it for free and they have paid plans for more use. They also have a "podcast" generator option like Gemini, but I haven't tried it so can't vouch for the quality.
I use Eleven Labs all the time for things I want to read, like email newsletters, industry publications, etc but never find the time to sit down and read. Now I can have AI read them to me while I walk the dog. Super handy imo
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I had a friend tell me that she didn't learn to read until she was like eight. Ya never really know where people come from. All of our lives are so different.
I dont think that is considered particularly late here in central europe. Yes, kids should be able to read properly at 6, but a lot of them don't.
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The Gemini podcast is going to condense your text and make it conversational, but it will necessarily lose detail in the process. A better recommendation is the Eleven Labs Reader, it'll just read any text or file you throw at it with top tier voice models. Can use it for free and they have paid plans for more use. They also have a "podcast" generator option like Gemini, but I haven't tried it so can't vouch for the quality.
I use Eleven Labs all the time for things I want to read, like email newsletters, industry publications, etc but never find the time to sit down and read. Now I can have AI read them to me while I walk the dog. Super handy imo
Eleven Labs Reader
Thanks for the recommendation. For it to be useful for him, it would have to work on Windows (where the emails and documents he's reading are). I'm seeing a phone app, do you know if there's a windows one? I'm sure he'd have to have a paid version for corporate use.
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Anon has aphantasia
You can still enjoy reading if you have aphantasia. I can't picture shit, but verbose books tend to be my favourites.
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what the fuck is a “chapter book”?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chapter_book
It's a kind of book for children who are learning to read, which unlike a picture book (or, to some extent, a comic book) consists primarily of text that the reader must read in order to get the story.
Unlike books for advanced readers, chapter books contain plentiful illustrations.
I thought the poster just didn't know the words, but that's an actual expression? Eugh.
What counts as "plentiful"? Would some highly illustrated versions of classical books become "chapter books"? Or does it need to be intended for 7-10 year olds.
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I actually prefer text for the same reason. No need to pause and rewind, then once again forget what I wanted to hear and go back for the 4th time.
I by far prefer text for things that matter.
One of my favorite Youtube channels (Greg's Airplanes and Automobiles) has great videos about WWII airplanes and aeronautical technology, really digging into the weeds with original source material kind of stuff. But: they're just him reading a script he's written and showing still pictures and excerpts from pilot manuals etc. His content would make excellent written blog posts or even a book, but then nobody would read it. He has to turn what is fundamentally written material into videos in order to make any money off of his work because that's what works for most people. Just makes me sad.
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They found a way to learn that works for them. As someone that almost always prefer text, I understand why you feel this way but you must have realized that most people prefer this format. And as far as I can tell, so long as they can read an email when it's important (which they'll learn one way or another), it will be fine.
so long as they can read an email when it’s important
At my last job I managed a team of coders in India. They absolutely, categorically refused to ever read anything that I wrote to them, no matter what the situation. I had to maintain a 4AM-noon schedule just so I could have realtime interactions with them at least part of my day and give them instructions verbally. To their credit, they didn't really listen to what I said much, either.
I still wonder whether it was a side effect of being able to speak English but not being able to read and write it very well, or whether they were consciously trying to avoid having any paper trail that they could be held accountable for.
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Eng Learning TLDR: I was raised with both sight words and phonetics, and realize that my gen was fucked over.
I've heard about the reading wars, but this was the first time I actually thought about it with my education, and I realize why I probably wouldn't read as well if I didn't have parents who actively read with me as a child.
I'm a 2006 baby, so I guess my elementary years were at the perfect time for this little debate to occur. I definitely remember doing sight words and their flashcards, but I swear we still did phonetics (thank god). But like, how would anyone expect a kid to magically learn words by just looking at it 50 times and hearing a teacher say that word? I get that according to this article, a large portion of Eng words can't be read properly first try, but still, I see the value in having a kid connect the sounds of "cat, bat, hat, that," etc. Yes, some homonyms like "to, too, two" are gonna have to be "sight words" but that's unavoidable.
I hated Eng class, not because of sucking at it, but how we never really got free reading time after elementary, and that we were doing lame ass journals and reports on books I didn't want to read. And there were high levels books I did want to read, which is why I loved a banned books project that gave us the freedom to pick a book to do a creative, in any format you want, presentation of the knowledge from the book.
So if I, a person who actually wanted to read and can read well hated Eng class, then people who have learning disabilities, are simply bored, didn't have parents who cared, etc were cooked. I guess that's why my college classmates are so incompetent rn...
Also side note about Chinese (or well, Japanese in my case):
Yeah, CN and JP use hanzi/kanji respectively, which are logograms, but both CN/JP have "alphabets" that can be used to tell you the reading of a word. Chinese uses pinyin (which is actually what most of their keyboards are based on I think), and JP has hiragana/katakana. It's still however more useful to learn the readings for these characters in the context of what you're reading (esp. Japanese, they got their writing system from China but used their own bastardized readings for words, so 生 has like 10+ readings depending on the word it's paired with).
But they still have a neat trick in which kanji have two parts, the phonetic component, and the meaning component. Kanji are made of radicals, which is like using lego blocks to make a single character (i.e. 米 + 青 = 精). The neat part is that you can potentially guess the reading of a word if you already know that phonetic components reading. 青 can be read as "sei", and these kanji 精, 清, 圊, 睛, etc. all have "sei" or a similar version as a potential reading. Now sometimes the radicals don't always make sense meaning wise when added together. 青 is "blue/youth" and 米 is "rice", but 精 means "spirit/ghost", "energy", and uh... "semen" (mostly in the word 精液 "spirit fluid"). Why rice + youth = spirit or ghost, is beyond me, but these kanji usually have interesting stories behind them that could potentially explain their reasoning.
JP Kanji Learning TLDR: JP is fun to learn and kanji have reading patterns based on their components.
Yeah, most of my knowledge on "Chinese" is from when i tried to learn Korean. Korean still lean on some Chinese characters (hanja?). Not for like "daily" reading/writing, but like, I remember newspaper articles would sometimes have the headlines in Chinese characters. They, of course, would use their Korean pronunciations, but there was no way to tell what that was from the character (unlike the rest of the Korean writing system, which uses an almost completely consistent phonetic alphabet).
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Unlike books for advanced readers, chapter books contain plentiful illustrations.
I thought the poster just didn't know the words, but that's an actual expression? Eugh.
What counts as "plentiful"? Would some highly illustrated versions of classical books become "chapter books"? Or does it need to be intended for 7-10 year olds.
Or does it need to be intended for 7-10 year olds.
I don't know if there's actually any publishing industry or library defintion of the word, but as I know it, it clearly indicates a book intended for children who are still learning to read.
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I read a lot of science fiction, and a younger friends at work frequently asked me for recommendations, and he liked talking about the books after reading them. At some point I found out that he exclusively consumes them as audiobooks, which is fine and I didn't think much about it. Some years down the line, when I was getting ready to retire, I had to pass on things to him. There was enough of it that, in addition to working elbow-to-elbow with him, I documented all the details in some long emails. When we meet, I'd say "The details are in the email," and focus on explaining the big picture.
It became obvious that he never read the emails. When I talked to him about it, he admitted that he really struggles with any long block of text. The guy is really smart, and he knows a lot about a lot of things, but he gets all his info from audio and video because struggles to consume text. There's clearly some kind of learning/mental issue going on there. It's going to make the job tough for him, but I hope he works it out.
If someone is trying to convey important information, I'd rather get an email, than a text. And, I'd rather get a text than a voice call.
Writing requires thought to form sentence that make sense. And, forces the person to slow down a bit and gives them time to think about what they are staying. Also, they at least have the opportunity to read before they send, to check if they left anything out. Finally, and this is especially important in business, we have a "paper trail" that can be referred back to.
It took me years to stop the owner of the business I worked for to stop giving me instructions verbally. He did end-runs around shop policy to get his own pet projects prioritized. Policies that he put into place. Why do business owners sabotage their own businesses?
