I created the weirdest political compass
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The C which is an integral part of every linux kernel on every computer and server running linux as the OS and all the embedded systems everywhere and almost all the performance critical parts of python libraries?
I won't have much to say about assembly since don't use it but far as I know low level parts of OS such as bootloader likely still uses assembly not to also mention embedded systems.
As long as both of these exist in embedded systems, it is just statistically weird to call it obsolete even in regards to other languages.
For instance data scientists majorly use python, but python critically depends on C and devices they use critically depend on C and assembly. Can you then really say what they do does not depend on C and assembly and python is more widely used?
So, the Linux kernel is already partially moved over to Rust. It's probably in the Python ecosystem too, although I can't actually say.
More obsolete was a deliberate word choice. Hell, even COBOL is still used.
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I roughly based the nu-obsolete scale on language features not age (or use), TypeScript is just ECMAScript with an optional type safety feature.
wrote last edited by [email protected]I see! So you'd say type safety is system-type feature, then?
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Fortran is NOT obsolete you take that shit back
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Many games are still hand optimised in assembly, at least the inner loops.
Compilers are pretty damn good at doing that by now.
I can believe there's some direct assembly usage down in the depths of Unity and Unreal engines, but the average game dev is probably not going to touch it.
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I don’t get what toy lang means?
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Typescript, a language. Hah.
In what way is typescript not a language?
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So, the Linux kernel is already partially moved over to Rust. It's probably in the Python ecosystem too, although I can't actually say.
More obsolete was a deliberate word choice. Hell, even COBOL is still used.
yea but Rust is not above %80 of the languages in the chart. It is not just a matter of C being more obsolete than Rust it is more like C being one of the most obsolete in the chart. Can't call it that until it is replaced %80 by something else in systems that exists world-wide and everywhere.
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Did you just note Typescript, a superset of JavaScript that needs to be compiled into it, as closer to the system?
Also does it technically constitute a language? That feels like a stretch too.
Yes, TypeScript is a language by any definition.
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In what way is typescript not a language?
It’s JavaScript with sugar added.
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It’s JavaScript with sugar added.
So? That still makes it a language.
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So? That still makes it a language.
Your mother is a language.
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I read that as "directly, without a compiler", in which case it's close to fair, although I would have still put it ahead of COBOL because sometimes it's necessary.
Should it not say "machine code" then? It would still be bizarre to call it obsolete, given that it's literally the foundation of all the other languages in the chart. It's like saying letters are obsolete because we have words now.
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No colours? But how am I going to look down on the other three quadrants?
But for real, how did you make it? Hold up, did you screenshot draw.io? You absolute madlad!
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Should it not say "machine code" then? It would still be bizarre to call it obsolete, given that it's literally the foundation of all the other languages in the chart. It's like saying letters are obsolete because we have words now.
wrote last edited by [email protected]Why? An assembler isn't the same thing as a compiler. (Although, I'm not personally sure where the dividing line is. Where would literally just an assembler with loops instead of goto classify?)
The practice of directly using assembly is relatively obsolete. To bootstrap you might have to a bit, but writing Rollercoaster Tycoon in it was already an anachronism. I'm not really sure how to fit that into your analogy, because there's no word-compilers in wide use. If voice-to-text had became that dominant, typing would be obsolete, I guess.
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pascal on the top left, and python on the bottom right.
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yea but Rust is not above %80 of the languages in the chart. It is not just a matter of C being more obsolete than Rust it is more like C being one of the most obsolete in the chart. Can't call it that until it is replaced %80 by something else in systems that exists world-wide and everywhere.
I'd actually use some kind of projected future to define obsoleteness. Like, fossil fuels are obsolete relative to renewables, because there's going to be more going forwards even though there's more fossil fuels right now.
Athough, I have no idea if Mojo or Nim are going anywhere, and Brainfuck isn't. Maybe there's a dimension of novelty that's also flattened into that axis.
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I don’t get what toy lang means?
The opposite of system language, especially as many scripting languages have "beginner" features, like a single number type instead of integers and floats, dynamic types.
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The opposite of system language, especially as many scripting languages have "beginner" features, like a single number type instead of integers and floats, dynamic types.
I would call that a high level language. Like, the further you abstract from the hardware, the higher level the language.
Calling it a “toy” language implies that it isn’t useful. You have languages in there that are incredibly useful, like SQL, that basically run the entire internet.
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Compilers are pretty damn good at doing that by now.
I can believe there's some direct assembly usage down in the depths of Unity and Unreal engines, but the average game dev is probably not going to touch it.
I’d agree that the average game dev is on Unity or unreal and won’t be hand optimizing any inner loops.
But there are a surprising amount of studios still on their own tech and there the low-level engineers definitely do (I’ve worked in the industry and have seen it first hand - and done it myself).
It also tends to be at the start of a console’s life span before the compiler and linker is mature up against the hardware.
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No colours? But how am I going to look down on the other three quadrants?
But for real, how did you make it? Hold up, did you screenshot draw.io? You absolute madlad!
You can export from draw.io with dark mode and grid enabled as well. Seeing as the space even on all sides...
