Democratic freedoms at risk as Germany’s new government prioritises support for Israel.
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Stop it. Stop comparing the Shoa and the current massacre in Gaza. No massacre is like the holocaust, there are no holocausts. Especially from my German perspective, comparing the Shoa and another massacre is to trivialise the mass slaughter on six million jews.
Even if you are right and nothing is a worthy comparison. Let me ask you a somewhat practical and important moral question:
If I murdered 10 people by shooting them in the head because they are black
Or if I murdered 10 people by slowly torturing them until they die from shock, this time it had nothing to do with who they are, just that I want to do this to someone.
What is worse? A terrible motivation or a terrible outcome?
And now that I asked that, maybe you are thinking that it is kind of a moot point, both are horrible, for both I should be in jail for life if not executed, right?
So we all can agree that out of all of the horrific things possible, genocide is one of the worst. A genocide is already hitting max on the horrifying scale, practically speaking, Hitler should have been in jail for life ir executed, but just because what Netanyahu is doing is not as horrific as the Holocaust, does not mean he shouldn't also be in jail for life or executed, right?
And what would be the benifit of keeping the Holocaust in a category of it's own? Does comparing it to something else that basically hits the max on the horrifying scale really reduces from the horrifying reality of the Holocaust?
For the sake of making a better world, I think comparing genocides to genocides, no matter the scale, no matter the horrificness, is the right way to make sure that people understand that any genocide is already as horrifying as it gets
And one last point that I think really drives it home. On the individual level do you think it matters? Does a starving, scared, injured, homeless, orphaned child cares if he is part of the Holocaust or the Gaza genocide? If you take a survivor from each, would you be able to say who is more deeply scarred?
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Under German law (ianal), comparing Israel's actions to the Holocaust may be considered a criminal offence, i.e. Israel-related antisemitism (German explanation). It also makes sense to avoid these comparisons for basic common decency and piety reasons. We are trying to follow German law here - the servers are in Austria, the mods are not necessarily though.
As such, I'd urge you to steer clear of these comparisons. Thank you. /f
In European democracies, variations of a modernized anti-Semitism remain predominant, using various ciphers and allusions, among other things. Two aspects stand out here: (i) On the one hand, new conspiracy myths stand out alongside forms of subtle Holocaust relativization and trivialization. Ultimately, these almost always identify Jews as the "string-pullers". This is no coincidence: anti-Semitism is the historical conspiracy narrative of all. One prominent example is the claims that the Jewish patron George Soros is behind either a global "great population exchange" or the coronavirus crisis: Corona crisis is the Jewish patron George Soros - although his Jewish identity is often not explicitly mentioned. (ii) On the other hand, an aggressive hostility towards the Jewish state acts as an important medium for articulating and spreading contemporary anti-Semitism: Israel - the internationally "most important and succinct symbol of Jewish life and survival" (Schwarz-Friesel & Reinharz 2013, 172) - as well as against "the Zionists" (a now almost universally used cipher for "the Jews"). Link has preview pop-upInternal link: Anti-Semitic conspiracy myths and hostility towards Israel often end up appearing together.
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Under German law (ianal), comparing Israel's actions to the Holocaust may be considered a criminal offence, i.e. Israel-related antisemitism (German explanation). It also makes sense to avoid these comparisons for basic common decency and piety reasons. We are trying to follow German law here - the servers are in Austria, the mods are not necessarily though.
As such, I'd urge you to steer clear of these comparisons. Thank you. /f
In European democracies, variations of a modernized anti-Semitism remain predominant, using various ciphers and allusions, among other things. Two aspects stand out here: (i) On the one hand, new conspiracy myths stand out alongside forms of subtle Holocaust relativization and trivialization. Ultimately, these almost always identify Jews as the "string-pullers". This is no coincidence: anti-Semitism is the historical conspiracy narrative of all. One prominent example is the claims that the Jewish patron George Soros is behind either a global "great population exchange" or the coronavirus crisis: Corona crisis is the Jewish patron George Soros - although his Jewish identity is often not explicitly mentioned. (ii) On the other hand, an aggressive hostility towards the Jewish state acts as an important medium for articulating and spreading contemporary anti-Semitism: Israel - the internationally "most important and succinct symbol of Jewish life and survival" (Schwarz-Friesel & Reinharz 2013, 172) - as well as against "the Zionists" (a now almost universally used cipher for "the Jews"). Link has preview pop-upInternal link: Anti-Semitic conspiracy myths and hostility towards Israel often end up appearing together.
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I respect the considerations the mods have to be conscious of, but can I ask if this is the stance of feddit.org or just this community? Unfortunately I’ll have to block any group that requires complicity to genocide by ignoring the elephant in the room. Again, nothing personal.
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Antizionist Jews are disproportionately affected by repressive measures in Germany. It even goes as far as the federal and some state level commissioners for "combating antisemitism and Jewish life" attacking Jews with the "wrong" political opinions as "Allegedly Jewish" or otherwise entitling themselves to decide who are the "good" and who are the "bad" Jews.
https://jewishcurrents.org/the-strange-logic-of-germanys-antisemitism-bureaucrats
https://granta.com/once-again-germany-defines-who-is-a-jew-part-i/Zionist Antisemitism is a widespread thing, sadly.
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I respect the considerations the mods have to be conscious of, but can I ask if this is the stance of feddit.org or just this community? Unfortunately I’ll have to block any group that requires complicity to genocide by ignoring the elephant in the room. Again, nothing personal.
but can I ask if this is the stance of feddit.org or just this community?
Quote from the feddit.org sidebar:
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Unfortunately I’ll have to block any group that requires complicity to genocide by ignoring the elephant in the room.
I don't know what you regard as the elephant in the room.
You can apply the word "genocide" to the Gaza war here (although so far, legally, we are at "suspected genocide"). You can also call Netanyahu "corrupt" or a "war criminal". You can call Smotrich a "fascist".
But if to you, calling out the elephant in the room hinges on saying stuff like "x politician is literally Hitler", "y city is literally Auschwitz" or "z war action is literally Holocaust", then it may indeed be best to refrain from posting on this server. Besides legalities, I find all of these examples not helpful in understanding reality, because usually all the details are different. They're also in bad taste, given the large number of Jewish victims of historical Nazi reign. And I'd question your motivation for saying these things.
Final thing: You may also not question the statehood of Israel. I.e., no discussing "one-state solutions". But this is not a Mid-East community anyway.
/f
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Under German law (ianal), comparing Israel's actions to the Holocaust may be considered a criminal offence, i.e. Israel-related antisemitism (German explanation). It also makes sense to avoid these comparisons for basic common decency and piety reasons. We are trying to follow German law here - the servers are in Austria, the mods are not necessarily though.
As such, I'd urge you to steer clear of these comparisons. Thank you. /f
In European democracies, variations of a modernized anti-Semitism remain predominant, using various ciphers and allusions, among other things. Two aspects stand out here: (i) On the one hand, new conspiracy myths stand out alongside forms of subtle Holocaust relativization and trivialization. Ultimately, these almost always identify Jews as the "string-pullers". This is no coincidence: anti-Semitism is the historical conspiracy narrative of all. One prominent example is the claims that the Jewish patron George Soros is behind either a global "great population exchange" or the coronavirus crisis: Corona crisis is the Jewish patron George Soros - although his Jewish identity is often not explicitly mentioned. (ii) On the other hand, an aggressive hostility towards the Jewish state acts as an important medium for articulating and spreading contemporary anti-Semitism: Israel - the internationally "most important and succinct symbol of Jewish life and survival" (Schwarz-Friesel & Reinharz 2013, 172) - as well as against "the Zionists" (a now almost universally used cipher for "the Jews"). Link has preview pop-upInternal link: Anti-Semitic conspiracy myths and hostility towards Israel often end up appearing together.
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It does NOT make sense. As a Belgian, I do not have to obey the country of the people who came here to commit genocide. I stand in solidarity with the victims of genocide and would like to point out that Germany made billions selling weapons to Israel, so if the mods are in there, they are directly profiting from the genocide, which is a clear conflict of interest.
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but can I ask if this is the stance of feddit.org or just this community?
Quote from the feddit.org sidebar:
Content that is illegal in Germany, Austria or Switzerland will be deleted and can lead to an immediate ban of the account.
Unfortunately I’ll have to block any group that requires complicity to genocide by ignoring the elephant in the room.
I don't know what you regard as the elephant in the room.
You can apply the word "genocide" to the Gaza war here (although so far, legally, we are at "suspected genocide"). You can also call Netanyahu "corrupt" or a "war criminal". You can call Smotrich a "fascist".
But if to you, calling out the elephant in the room hinges on saying stuff like "x politician is literally Hitler", "y city is literally Auschwitz" or "z war action is literally Holocaust", then it may indeed be best to refrain from posting on this server. Besides legalities, I find all of these examples not helpful in understanding reality, because usually all the details are different. They're also in bad taste, given the large number of Jewish victims of historical Nazi reign. And I'd question your motivation for saying these things.
Final thing: You may also not question the statehood of Israel. I.e., no discussing "one-state solutions". But this is not a Mid-East community anyway.
/f
Imagine being a piece of shit denialist having to put quote around the word "genocide".
Israel have no right to exist. Nor is germany in my opinion. Go fuck yourself.
Scumbag
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but can I ask if this is the stance of feddit.org or just this community?
Quote from the feddit.org sidebar:
Content that is illegal in Germany, Austria or Switzerland will be deleted and can lead to an immediate ban of the account.
Unfortunately I’ll have to block any group that requires complicity to genocide by ignoring the elephant in the room.
I don't know what you regard as the elephant in the room.
You can apply the word "genocide" to the Gaza war here (although so far, legally, we are at "suspected genocide"). You can also call Netanyahu "corrupt" or a "war criminal". You can call Smotrich a "fascist".
But if to you, calling out the elephant in the room hinges on saying stuff like "x politician is literally Hitler", "y city is literally Auschwitz" or "z war action is literally Holocaust", then it may indeed be best to refrain from posting on this server. Besides legalities, I find all of these examples not helpful in understanding reality, because usually all the details are different. They're also in bad taste, given the large number of Jewish victims of historical Nazi reign. And I'd question your motivation for saying these things.
Final thing: You may also not question the statehood of Israel. I.e., no discussing "one-state solutions". But this is not a Mid-East community anyway.
/f
Personally I'd love to discuss a two-state solution to the german question.
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Stop it. Stop comparing the Shoa and the current massacre in Gaza. No massacre is like the holocaust, there are no holocausts. Especially from my German perspective, comparing the Shoa and another massacre is to trivialise the mass slaughter on six million jews.
You're trivializing the mass shaughter of the millions gypsies. You know, the ones who didn't got to become the genociders and still lives on the streets of berlin
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juxtaposed
You may juxtapose it for more or less scientific reasons but as I explained in this thread, you don't juxtapose it by comparing the holocaust and Gaza in a political debate.
It's exactly the same ideology. National-socialism. The all-powerful nation taking care of its children, at the expense of everybody else.
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As I repeatedly said: It doesn't have to be "a holocaust" nor a genocide to despise it. Please just read what I pointed out in this posts's comment section .
Imagine being a pos having to put quotes around "genocide" lmao
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Stop it. Stop comparing the Shoa and the current massacre in Gaza. No massacre is like the holocaust, there are no holocausts. Especially from my German perspective, comparing the Shoa and another massacre is to trivialise the mass slaughter on six million jews.
Who tf cares about your germans perspective? You guys made billions selling weapons to israel. Why do you think your german perspective have any relevance?
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I never said an organized genocide with more than six million victims can't happen again. But it didn't so far and won't happen in the current Gaza-massacre. I explained why you really shouldn't compare the holocaust and Gaza and I don't see the need to explain it again.
Ah yes, it's not a genocide because they didn't kill enough people yet.
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Hey the POS genosiders are really bent on censoring antigenocide viewpoints huh? The fact germany is applying state denialism (again) because they were scummy enough to murder people last time is a thing, but YOU personally don't have to apply the rules. Unless, you know, you're a coward afraid of your genicidal authority.
Exactly like last time.
Israel doesn't have more right to exist than the whites in south africa. Just create a secular state with no appartheid.
Your country made billions selling weapons to israel and they clearly have huge conflict of interests. Especially given the history of germans leader being caught in bed with the weapons industry (right Ursula?)
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They're blindly supporting Israel for historical reasons, not because they support genocide.
Ah yes it have nothing to do with the billions they made out of selling bombs to israel /s
