Trump says Palestinians will have no right of return to Gaza under his plan
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No, he’s a demented old man who broke many promises…like only running 1 term. That doesn’t mean you don’t say anything. It’s almost as if they are representing the will of the people…you need to show up and say something…like using your 1st amendment rights to organized and protest
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People seem to be happy to do that to each other on Lemmy every time the topic of Palestine comes up.
This morning, I said to someone, "if I challenged you to send one e-mail to a celebrity or politician or business leader asking them to use their ability to get the ear of the media to speak on behalf of Palestinians, would you do it?"
I won't keep you in suspense. They never responded. Because pointing fingers and accusing others of being in favor of genocide is much easier. And fun!
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I’d like to earnestly suggest you reevaluate your strategy. Clearly threatening/withholding general election votes hasn’t been successful, and there’s obviously a lot of risk of negative outcomes like Trump winning. I think the general election is just too late in the process for a protest vote to mean anything.
I’m all for showing up and saying something, and I think pressure and threats during primary voting have worked in the past. I think we could have applied a LOT more pressure earlier in the process and might have had a better outcome. Now instead we have the worst possible result for the people of Palestine.
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You clearly have no idea how US elections work at that level. The single candidate with the most votes wins.
Which is exactly why in order to win an election, a campaign needs to offer concessions to voters to earn as many votes as possible.
Something the Democratic Party's Campaign decisively chose not to do, and in fact do the opposite.
Instead of trying to secure hundreds of thousands to millions of constituents by supporting a permanent ceasefire and weapons embargo, a policy vastly supported by the Democrats own voter base (in addition to the majority of also independent and Republican voters), they instead alienated those voters by more than just ignoring their valid concerns.
They chose to arrest thousands of student protestors, gave billions of dollars to a genocide at the tax payers expense consistently for 15 months, actively suppressed the voices and representation of the main victims of the genocide, and campaigned with Liz Cheney (who was actively involved with the Bush-Cheney foreign policy in the middle east and enthusiastically pro ethnic cleansing of Palestinians). They chose to do all that instead of represent the view of the majority of their constituents and abide by domestic/international law.
And that was just one of the major issues, along with immigration and the economy, that tanked the approval of the Democratic Party. If the Democratic Party wanted to actually win against Trump they would have done everything to gain as many votes as possible. They chose not to. They threw the election and let an unpopular fascist win.
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Biden wasn't the candidate.
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OK, but you do realize that there was no option in this election that would achieve the results they wanted, right?
There was a choice for the status quo, and one to make things exponentially worse. People chose the exponentially worse option and are idiots for it.
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I wouldn’t hold my strategy at more fault that the DNC and it’s strategists. They’re the ones with a billion dollars at their disposal and it’s kind of their job to appeal to voters. People have needs and cutting off billions in “genocide-aid” seems like a no brainer. Countless opportunities to invoke the Leahy Act, win over more voters, and save some money.
…but I’m only a constituent, what do I know
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Mass protests have stopped. A handful of people meeting at a coffee shop or vigil is a stark contrast to bridges and roads being blocked, to school administration buildings occupied.
The US is 330 million people and you get how many at a protest now?And that website is all about Israel and nothing about forced relocations of two million people and the US annexing Gaza for development. But those aren’t Democrat proposals, so whatevs…
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They did apply a lot of pressure during the primary. The total uncommitted in the Primary was 706,591 (Which may have been undercounted) which is absolutely massive for a primary. On average, general turnout is twice that of primary turnout. The Democratic Party knew that at they were risking at least 1.4 million votes by ignoring the issue. Here Are 34 Polls That Show A Ceasefire & Weapons Embargo Help Kamala Win. They also knew throughout the whole campaign that a vast majority of their constituents wanted weapons embargo and permanent ceasefire (required by domestic and international law), plus a majority of independents and Republicans. There was no valid reason for the Democratic Party to ignore the demands of that many voters, especially if trying to win an election
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If you have no options but to vote for Genocide, you already live in fascism.
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Not stepping down until the primary was over enabled Trump so count Biden on that list too for failing to heed internal poling in time. He sold out his country out of arrogance just like RBG did.
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So the same as what Biden was doing in the West Bank.
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You can’t control their strategy, but you can control yours.
I think we’ve seen enough of the DNC now to know what to expect. I don’t think we can count on their promises or their logic. I’m not trying to blame you for Trump’s win, just suggesting that we work together (if we get another chance) to apply pressure at points when it will HELP. I don’t think protest voting during the last general election was the right move. Let’s learn from it instead of insisting it was the right thing to do.
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The conservative instance is called Reddit and we're no longer federated with them.
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Aww, y’all hitting the down arrow instead of addressing what I said…. I have been put in maw place!
