Content curation in the Fediverse is better!
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Insult me all you want. You didn’t change my mind.
Ps. Look at the rest of the discussions I am having with people. It seems the tone of this particular thread in the conversation is destined for toxicity because you’re not ready to admit the ugly truth about your perspective.
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I know all of that, my friend. Not sure how it seemed like I didn’t. namaste
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And that is a wonderful thing. Use the town square analogy and you’ll see that I’m not against THAT. I’m against victory laps advertising the blinders over a whole instance.
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That is not the point, the point is that you can. You can curate your feed yourself instead of relying solely on an algorithm or a curation team
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This! I hate that LW is defederates from Hex, and Beehaw and any others. LW needs to update the Lemmy version and federate with all.
Open debate is critical for ethics and intelligence. I wish we were much more capable of open minded debate here. I would totally play the role of high-Mach devils-advocate to get people talking about controversial and high tension subjects while being abstracted and attempting not to offend as best I can while playing the role of the bad guy. I'm afraid users here are totally incapable of this level of engagement depth. The concept of a safe place to take such a controversial position of true free speech seems beyond the capability of most here. Like a transgender person should have the opportunity to debate their politization issues from both sides. Or like, I hate what has happened in Gaza, but I also hate a culture that coexists with honor killing without absolutely reforming purging the practice with distain. I should be able to argue as a devils advocate from many angles even when I find them repugnant. I am very good at this kind of debating. I have my own issues with my life situation where I would need people to understand the scope of such a community and participating users. It is a difficult balance to argue hated positions and others understand that those positions and ideas are not your own. When such debates are had, it leads to a much deeper understanding of issues within a community as a whole.
The high school I went to was in a very poor all black community and was designed to uplift the best and brightest of that community while drawing in similar students from the surrounding region to make up around 20% of students. There were some very racist views and tensions at times mostly from black students towards white. The Wednesday seminar/debate classes from start of the day until lunch were the ultimate solution. We debated politics, religion, racism, rape, authoritarianism, communism, anarchism, and a bunch of other stuff. It got super heated at times. When no one wanted to take the negative interlocutor perspective, the teacher would try but I quickly learned I saw the situation more clearly than them and was good at being the bad guy (or the good guy). By arguing the opposing perspective it reveals much about what one believes and how to argue it effectively.
I have an entire framework for such a community saved in rough drafted notes on my phone that I made weeks ago but I don't think Lemmy is capable of this in practice.
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I do not think it’s a good idea to isolate people in cults in their own echo chambers… although my faith in humanity and basic decency has seen better days, I still believe good examples matter.
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Thank you so much!!!
I couldn’t have said it any better.
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This is what I love about the fediverse. It is the closest to actual anarchist communities I’ve seen and it works great.
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On mastodon I follow a lot of hashtags and so I will mute foreign language accounts so they don’t show up in my home feed. Thankfully I’ve never had to block an entire instance but I chalk that up to troublesome instances already being defederated from my instance
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Fascist ideas don't spread because they make good points. They spread because they get repeated so much. People who don't know any better believe it because they've heard it so many times, or from someone they trust. Federating with fascists gives them more people to spread their ideas to.
Talking to conservatives can definitely help, but it really depends on the context. Just having people who they disagree with in their lives can can be helpful. If you're someone they trust you might get them to work through some things. Or if you know a topic really well and know what talking points they're likely to bring up. But it's nearly impossible to get though to people who already hate you.
Everyone is at a different place with what they want to handle. Some people just want a small friendly community where they have a chance to relax. Others want a more open communities that only keep out the worst. And some are okay with putting up with harassment to reach more people. But generally we shouldn't force others to put up with that harassment along with us.
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You're the only one insulting yourself. The toxicity is heavily attached to you. A lot of the rest of us are having a fine conversation.
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Beehaw defederated from LW, not the other way around IIRC
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because it shuts out everyone on that instance.
But it doesn't. Unless they've changed the functionality in the last 3 major revisions or so, a user blocking an instance blocks all posts from that instance. Not the users or their comments on other posts.
It's an easier way than blocking each community from that instance individually.
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A user blocking an instance does not block the users from that instance from interacting with the user who blocked.
It's not well explained, but my understanding is that an instance block just prevents communities from that instance, and posts made by users on thay instance, from showing for the user that blocked the instance. Comments from users of that instance still show for the blocking user, and the block is one way anyway.
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Yeah but it was because of issues on LW that went unresolved. It is very likely that the problem individuals are not even on LW any more. Plus the user tools have changed. Reaching out to mend the bridge should be a top priority for the top instance as should unbanning any and all possible. Such behaviour is the only respectable way to stay at the top and grow Lemmy. If bridges can't be mended, at least document that the effort was made so users of both instances are aware.
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What? what does this even mean, is there an instance dedicated for victims of fascism or something?
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You see, I’m an anarchist. I trust in the power of people to self-organize, self-regulate, and self-police. I am philosophically opposed to whole instances making the call to defederate from another no matter how Nazi or capitalist that instance is.
That's great, but it's not for everyone. What you're saying here is that when bigots appear, every member of the minorities they target needs to individually block the troll, which they can only do after they've been exposed to the bigotry, and which doesn't help them at all in the future when the troll moves to a new throw away account.
Counter intuitively, what you're asking for is exactly how you create spaces that actively discourage diversity.
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I blocked lemmynsfw so that I don’t see straight up porn in my feed but can still see posts labeled nsfw from other instances because a lot of posts that get labeled nsfw are just things like explicit text or the OP labeled it nsfw because it’s not exactly nsfw but also not completely regular either.
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Unfortunately it's still a very weak type of blocking, for you on Lemmy.ca unless you are using an app like Sync or Connect. It's basically a "community mute", equivalent to unsubscribing from all the communities there individually, but unlike user blocking, the users from that instance will still show up in other communities, they can still send you replies, which will trigger Notifications, and therefore they can harass you by continually sending you replies for WEEKS and WEEKS at a time (this actually happened to me twice, once with hexbear.net and another time with lemmygrad.ml).
Anyway, it's better than nothing!
You may be interested to read some of the ways that PieFed is advancing democratization of moderation.
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You can avoid seeing posts from lemmynsfw by just… not subscribing to any communities on lemmynsfw.
