Bad UX is keeping the majority of people away from Lemmy
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Having a barrier to entry just filters out non tech savvy people, and creates a bubble.
We want all kinds of people on Lemmy, not just tech savvy people.
Do we? I was never asked.
The community as it is right now, feels like the early days of Reddit and Slashdot. I really don't mind that slight speed bump.
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Preemptively defederating from Threads was widely discussed in a lot of places.
That's fair I guess. I remember that. That was around the same time as well, so someone registered to say Beehaw or Hexbear during the Threads fediverse announcement period would probably get the idea that federation wars is all that's going, at least if they stopped visiting Lemmy shortly thereafter.
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it feels like old reddit
Wait, when did that become a bad thing? I exclusively browsed old.reddit.com because the new layout is a fucking abomination.
How old are you?
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People need to stop sending people to "join ___" sites. I get why they are, or at least were, necessary, but they're totally superfluous when users are making recommendations to other users.
Just recommend a website for them to join. Word of mouth + systematized signup makes zero sense.
Just recommend a website for them to join.
But the crux is which one do you recommend? We don't want to send everyone to the same instance otherwise it'll end up becoming dominant (see Lemmy World).
Ideally we shouldn't need to go through this motion of trying to work out which instance to choose or recommend one for them, they should be able to do that themselves after getting their feet wet.
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Are you suggesting that businesses only change things based on what their users want? Because that's obviously nonsense. Enshitification finds a way regardless of what the consumer wants.
Two things can be true at the same time.
Yes reddit doesn't care about their users.
But also the old reddit is worse for the vast majority of people
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I think people who claim that the UI/UX is fine are missing the point. It is fine to you, but it is not fine to whomever made the claim. And for every person that makes such claim, there are hundreds/thousands who think/feel the same but don't say anything.
Lemmy, as a community and as a project, should seriously listen more to the opinion of newcomers.
Exactly.
UX is like a Joke, if you need to explain it to someone it's bad UX
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This reddit post likely has tens if not hundreds of thousands of views, look at the top comment.
Lemmy is losing so many potential new users because the UX sucks for the vast majority of people.
What can we do?
I'll be ditching reddit completely after 16th of April. Till then I'm slowly doing my migration. Lemmy is awesome.
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This reddit post likely has tens if not hundreds of thousands of views, look at the top comment.
Lemmy is losing so many potential new users because the UX sucks for the vast majority of people.
What can we do?
If you mention Lemmy, point someone towards a specific instance so it's not so much of a shock. Then they can slowly learn about what it is.
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I'll be ditching reddit completely after 16th of April. Till then I'm slowly doing my migration. Lemmy is awesome.
Why April 16th?
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When half the posts in your feed are "X instance bad" people get just tired and go out.
It has happened to me sometimes a meaningful part of my feed was just people brigading about some instance they don't like. It's ridiculous.
this is about 0.1% of posts… quit lying
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The biggest UX issues, in my opinion, is the process of choosing an instance and content discovery.
When you go to "join lemmy", rather than choosing a username, you're presented a big list of instances, and you have no idea what that means and what it means for your experience if you choose one. Even though in reality it doesn't really matter, just having the list paraylyses the user as it's not a process they're used to. Users are likely asking themselves:
- Am I going to miss out on content from other instances?
- Do I need an account per instance to interact with their communities?
Sometimes I think it would be best if we could have some kind of read-only instance people can create an account on and get stuck in first, then choose an instance to sign up to once they understand it. The instance would be locked down so they couldn't create any communities. So basically when they they're directed to join-lemmy and go to sign up, they create an account on that instance right away and get started.
Read only instance would put them off too. The best solution, IMO:
- create a pool of instances that will act as the default ones
- when creating an account, create it on one of the instances, redirect the user there
- add an option to migrate an account to a different instance in case the user wants to choose a different one after a month or so
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Why April 16th?
After that my premium expires. Also I'm suspend indefinitely.
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Being able to just browse without signup and see largely federated content would pull in a lot of people. I am new to federated concepts, but would a generic, non-profit "home page" that's browseable without signup is possible? Apps like Voyager could dump newbies into that until they want to post/interact?
Yeah you can browse an instance without being logged in, so that would be possible.
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Just recommend a website for them to join.
But the crux is which one do you recommend? We don't want to send everyone to the same instance otherwise it'll end up becoming dominant (see Lemmy World).
Ideally we shouldn't need to go through this motion of trying to work out which instance to choose or recommend one for them, they should be able to do that themselves after getting their feet wet.
We don't want to send everyone to the same instance otherwise it'll end up becoming dominant (see Lemmy World)
From what I've learnt in network science, I've got bad news for you: real-world networks tend to follow power-law distributions.
Lemmy, being a social network, is unlikely to be an exception. Some instances are going to become hubs and the rest would be peripheral.
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Sounds like a skill issue to me.
And? We want all kinds of people on Lemmy not just 'skilled' people
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Read only instance would put them off too. The best solution, IMO:
- create a pool of instances that will act as the default ones
- when creating an account, create it on one of the instances, redirect the user there
- add an option to migrate an account to a different instance in case the user wants to choose a different one after a month or so
By read-only, I mean they couldn't create any communities. So essentially it would be an instance that has accounts but nothing else. Users would still be able to vote and comment on other commnities and subscribe. They could stay on it if they wanted to, but of course they wouldn't be able to create any communities.
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Been using Lemmy for a couple of years, not seen this once.
Also, the ux is pretty much the same as Reddit.
These people are just stakeholders in Reddit. They are afraid of change, or losing any rep they have. They sit on a pile of useless upvotes.
The UX once you figure out what works for you in Lemmy is nice, the UX getting to that point is terrible, as many have said.
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Exactly.
UX is like a Joke, if you need to explain it to someone it's bad UX
Unexplained choices are extremely frustrating and cause confusion. It would be awesome if people could magically choose the right instance for themselves without being aware that they are making a choice, but that just isn't realistic.
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Really early on like right after the API fuckfest, there was a large influx of users who picked servers based on whatever. As a result, servers defederated and there was a lot of drama as a result.
Though that said I haven't heard much about defederating in some time.
What would prevent the same happening in the next wave of rats jumping ship? They don't know anything about the servers or their niches, so they pick whatever. Listing all the servers and their missions is a good start for those motivated to join, but for those more on the fence, how do we ease the transition?
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Joining is a bad experience. "Please commit now to a server on this service you know nothing about... Then you can try it out!" I understand the concept of decentralization, but it's ass-backwards...
The idea that one must commit, is the problem. At first, I signed up for 3 or 4 servers. It needs to be pointed out that no commitment is necessary.
