What is the most infuriating "is not a big deal" you have ever heard?
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I'm not disagreeing with you. My mother has been a vegetarian for decades. She suffers from blood pressure problem and constantly has to go see her doctor. Every time it gets worse she has to eat a small amount of meat to boost her nutritional level, but then she always goes back to being a vegetarian.
If it's OK for anyone to have a meatless diet, good. If further more he or she does it to save the planet, even better. But not everyone can do so, so I hope those who can do it stop pointing fingers.
Why doesn't your mother take a vitamin?
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Can you... Provide some of those reasons?
cost, culture, & convenience are the ones I usually refer. gas station hot dogs are cheap and convenient. turning down family recipes put a social strain related to culture. those are two great examples that cover all three. I'm sure you can imagine more: stopping for a fast food burger on your way to protest at the Capitol, etc.
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cost, culture, & convenience are the ones I usually refer. gas station hot dogs are cheap and convenient. turning down family recipes put a social strain related to culture. those are two great examples that cover all three. I'm sure you can imagine more: stopping for a fast food burger on your way to protest at the Capitol, etc.
Meat products are, per kilo, much more costly for their nutrient profiles compared with plant based alternatives. Any time meat is comparable, this is because of government subsidies. There's a reason third world countries rely on plant based foods, because they're objectively cheaper.
There are many cultural practises that we've left in the past. Culture is not an excuse for doing objectively amoral things. I can't say it's my culture to sacrifice children, even if it is.
I'd put convenience under the umbrella of pleasure. If we all lived our life based on convenience, people would drink drive, people wouldn't care about consent, just because it's easier doesn't mean it's right.
If my morality was based on whether it cause friction with my family, what weak morals I would have? "In this house, we say the N word!", "okay yes sorry mum, here I go saying the n word again!" Like, stick up for what's right, don't crumble because it might upset those who are objectively morally incorrect.
Plant based food is objectively cheaper, culture doesn't permit amoral acts, convenience isn't a valid reason to do wrong, and if mild social pressure from family is enough to cause one to act immoral, then those morals were pretty flimsy to begin with.
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Meat products are, per kilo, much more costly for their nutrient profiles compared with plant based alternatives. Any time meat is comparable, this is because of government subsidies. There's a reason third world countries rely on plant based foods, because they're objectively cheaper.
There are many cultural practises that we've left in the past. Culture is not an excuse for doing objectively amoral things. I can't say it's my culture to sacrifice children, even if it is.
I'd put convenience under the umbrella of pleasure. If we all lived our life based on convenience, people would drink drive, people wouldn't care about consent, just because it's easier doesn't mean it's right.
If my morality was based on whether it cause friction with my family, what weak morals I would have? "In this house, we say the N word!", "okay yes sorry mum, here I go saying the n word again!" Like, stick up for what's right, don't crumble because it might upset those who are objectively morally incorrect.
Plant based food is objectively cheaper, culture doesn't permit amoral acts, convenience isn't a valid reason to do wrong, and if mild social pressure from family is enough to cause one to act immoral, then those morals were pretty flimsy to begin with.
Any time meat is comparable, this is because of government subsidies.
this doesn't change the fact that, for some, in some situations, it is a better source of calories-per-dollar
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Meat products are, per kilo, much more costly for their nutrient profiles compared with plant based alternatives. Any time meat is comparable, this is because of government subsidies. There's a reason third world countries rely on plant based foods, because they're objectively cheaper.
There are many cultural practises that we've left in the past. Culture is not an excuse for doing objectively amoral things. I can't say it's my culture to sacrifice children, even if it is.
I'd put convenience under the umbrella of pleasure. If we all lived our life based on convenience, people would drink drive, people wouldn't care about consent, just because it's easier doesn't mean it's right.
If my morality was based on whether it cause friction with my family, what weak morals I would have? "In this house, we say the N word!", "okay yes sorry mum, here I go saying the n word again!" Like, stick up for what's right, don't crumble because it might upset those who are objectively morally incorrect.
Plant based food is objectively cheaper, culture doesn't permit amoral acts, convenience isn't a valid reason to do wrong, and if mild social pressure from family is enough to cause one to act immoral, then those morals were pretty flimsy to begin with.
Culture is not an excuse for doing objectively amoral things.
i think you meant immoral. as it turns out, culture is a great reason to choose amoral actions, and most people think eating meat is amoral.
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Meat products are, per kilo, much more costly for their nutrient profiles compared with plant based alternatives. Any time meat is comparable, this is because of government subsidies. There's a reason third world countries rely on plant based foods, because they're objectively cheaper.
There are many cultural practises that we've left in the past. Culture is not an excuse for doing objectively amoral things. I can't say it's my culture to sacrifice children, even if it is.
I'd put convenience under the umbrella of pleasure. If we all lived our life based on convenience, people would drink drive, people wouldn't care about consent, just because it's easier doesn't mean it's right.
If my morality was based on whether it cause friction with my family, what weak morals I would have? "In this house, we say the N word!", "okay yes sorry mum, here I go saying the n word again!" Like, stick up for what's right, don't crumble because it might upset those who are objectively morally incorrect.
Plant based food is objectively cheaper, culture doesn't permit amoral acts, convenience isn't a valid reason to do wrong, and if mild social pressure from family is enough to cause one to act immoral, then those morals were pretty flimsy to begin with.
just because it’s easier doesn’t mean it’s right.
i didnt say it's right. i said it's a reason people choose meat.
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Meat products are, per kilo, much more costly for their nutrient profiles compared with plant based alternatives. Any time meat is comparable, this is because of government subsidies. There's a reason third world countries rely on plant based foods, because they're objectively cheaper.
There are many cultural practises that we've left in the past. Culture is not an excuse for doing objectively amoral things. I can't say it's my culture to sacrifice children, even if it is.
I'd put convenience under the umbrella of pleasure. If we all lived our life based on convenience, people would drink drive, people wouldn't care about consent, just because it's easier doesn't mean it's right.
If my morality was based on whether it cause friction with my family, what weak morals I would have? "In this house, we say the N word!", "okay yes sorry mum, here I go saying the n word again!" Like, stick up for what's right, don't crumble because it might upset those who are objectively morally incorrect.
Plant based food is objectively cheaper, culture doesn't permit amoral acts, convenience isn't a valid reason to do wrong, and if mild social pressure from family is enough to cause one to act immoral, then those morals were pretty flimsy to begin with.
stick up for what’s right, don’t crumble because it might upset those who are objectively morally incorrect
most people don't think eating meat is morally wrong.
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Meat products are, per kilo, much more costly for their nutrient profiles compared with plant based alternatives. Any time meat is comparable, this is because of government subsidies. There's a reason third world countries rely on plant based foods, because they're objectively cheaper.
There are many cultural practises that we've left in the past. Culture is not an excuse for doing objectively amoral things. I can't say it's my culture to sacrifice children, even if it is.
I'd put convenience under the umbrella of pleasure. If we all lived our life based on convenience, people would drink drive, people wouldn't care about consent, just because it's easier doesn't mean it's right.
If my morality was based on whether it cause friction with my family, what weak morals I would have? "In this house, we say the N word!", "okay yes sorry mum, here I go saying the n word again!" Like, stick up for what's right, don't crumble because it might upset those who are objectively morally incorrect.
Plant based food is objectively cheaper, culture doesn't permit amoral acts, convenience isn't a valid reason to do wrong, and if mild social pressure from family is enough to cause one to act immoral, then those morals were pretty flimsy to begin with.
Plant based food is objectively cheaper
sometimes, for some people.
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Meat products are, per kilo, much more costly for their nutrient profiles compared with plant based alternatives. Any time meat is comparable, this is because of government subsidies. There's a reason third world countries rely on plant based foods, because they're objectively cheaper.
There are many cultural practises that we've left in the past. Culture is not an excuse for doing objectively amoral things. I can't say it's my culture to sacrifice children, even if it is.
I'd put convenience under the umbrella of pleasure. If we all lived our life based on convenience, people would drink drive, people wouldn't care about consent, just because it's easier doesn't mean it's right.
If my morality was based on whether it cause friction with my family, what weak morals I would have? "In this house, we say the N word!", "okay yes sorry mum, here I go saying the n word again!" Like, stick up for what's right, don't crumble because it might upset those who are objectively morally incorrect.
Plant based food is objectively cheaper, culture doesn't permit amoral acts, convenience isn't a valid reason to do wrong, and if mild social pressure from family is enough to cause one to act immoral, then those morals were pretty flimsy to begin with.
culture doesn’t permit amoral acts
we've been over this.
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Meat products are, per kilo, much more costly for their nutrient profiles compared with plant based alternatives. Any time meat is comparable, this is because of government subsidies. There's a reason third world countries rely on plant based foods, because they're objectively cheaper.
There are many cultural practises that we've left in the past. Culture is not an excuse for doing objectively amoral things. I can't say it's my culture to sacrifice children, even if it is.
I'd put convenience under the umbrella of pleasure. If we all lived our life based on convenience, people would drink drive, people wouldn't care about consent, just because it's easier doesn't mean it's right.
If my morality was based on whether it cause friction with my family, what weak morals I would have? "In this house, we say the N word!", "okay yes sorry mum, here I go saying the n word again!" Like, stick up for what's right, don't crumble because it might upset those who are objectively morally incorrect.
Plant based food is objectively cheaper, culture doesn't permit amoral acts, convenience isn't a valid reason to do wrong, and if mild social pressure from family is enough to cause one to act immoral, then those morals were pretty flimsy to begin with.
convenience isn’t a valid reason to do wrong
we've been over this: most people don't think it's wrong.
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stick up for what’s right, don’t crumble because it might upset those who are objectively morally incorrect
most people don't think eating meat is morally wrong.
Oh god I didn't even notice I was replying to you.
Gross, you're the worst, most bad faith debater I've ever had the displeasure of talking to.
You don't argue in any sense of data or fact, just shitty little retorts amounting to nothing more than "no, actually".
Don't bother replying, I'm blocking you across all instances until you get an education, maybe when you turn 18 or something.
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Oh god I didn't even notice I was replying to you.
Gross, you're the worst, most bad faith debater I've ever had the displeasure of talking to.
You don't argue in any sense of data or fact, just shitty little retorts amounting to nothing more than "no, actually".
Don't bother replying, I'm blocking you across all instances until you get an education, maybe when you turn 18 or something.
you’re the worst, most bad faith debater I’ve ever had the displeasure of talking to
your accusation of bad faith is, itself, bad faith
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Oh god I didn't even notice I was replying to you.
Gross, you're the worst, most bad faith debater I've ever had the displeasure of talking to.
You don't argue in any sense of data or fact, just shitty little retorts amounting to nothing more than "no, actually".
Don't bother replying, I'm blocking you across all instances until you get an education, maybe when you turn 18 or something.
You don’t argue in any sense of data or fact, just shitty little retorts amounting to nothing more than “no, actually”.
there's no data you've presented to discuss
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Oh god I didn't even notice I was replying to you.
Gross, you're the worst, most bad faith debater I've ever had the displeasure of talking to.
You don't argue in any sense of data or fact, just shitty little retorts amounting to nothing more than "no, actually".
Don't bother replying, I'm blocking you across all instances until you get an education, maybe when you turn 18 or something.
I’m blocking you
oh thank god
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Meat products are, per kilo, much more costly for their nutrient profiles compared with plant based alternatives. Any time meat is comparable, this is because of government subsidies. There's a reason third world countries rely on plant based foods, because they're objectively cheaper.
There are many cultural practises that we've left in the past. Culture is not an excuse for doing objectively amoral things. I can't say it's my culture to sacrifice children, even if it is.
I'd put convenience under the umbrella of pleasure. If we all lived our life based on convenience, people would drink drive, people wouldn't care about consent, just because it's easier doesn't mean it's right.
If my morality was based on whether it cause friction with my family, what weak morals I would have? "In this house, we say the N word!", "okay yes sorry mum, here I go saying the n word again!" Like, stick up for what's right, don't crumble because it might upset those who are objectively morally incorrect.
Plant based food is objectively cheaper, culture doesn't permit amoral acts, convenience isn't a valid reason to do wrong, and if mild social pressure from family is enough to cause one to act immoral, then those morals were pretty flimsy to begin with.
none of your arguments will hold water with the lived experience if most people. they don't want to see the disappointment in their grandma's eyes over something they don't believe, themselves, to be a just reason for turning down her cooking. they find see a problem with grabbing some food on their way to make the world a better place. your grandstanding is not only ineffective: it comes across as bizarre and unhinged.
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Can you... Provide some of those reasons?
https://hackertalks.com/post/5730540
Here is a very detailed post on why I chose to go carnivore, happy to discuss any of the specifics if you want to get into the minutiae
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I'm not disagreeing with you. My mother has been a vegetarian for decades. She suffers from blood pressure problem and constantly has to go see her doctor. Every time it gets worse she has to eat a small amount of meat to boost her nutritional level, but then she always goes back to being a vegetarian.
If it's OK for anyone to have a meatless diet, good. If further more he or she does it to save the planet, even better. But not everyone can do so, so I hope those who can do it stop pointing fingers.
You might want to investigate veggie keto for your mom, the most common cause of primary high blood pressure is elevated insulin levels.
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