The Fediverse Isn’t the Future. It’s the Present We’ve Been Denied.
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I am a hostage that has been set free from a prison camp. Thank you Fedi.
That's just like, your opinion man.
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I don’t think it’s too complicated, but it is noticeably more complicated than joining traditional social media. People often get immediately freaked out by the whole concept of instances. I know everybody keeps trying to use the email comparison, but that just is not working. People cannot connect the dots between email and something like Instagram.
"Lemmy is an alternative to Reddit, you can visit https://phtn.app/ to have a look at the content. If you prefer an app, https://vger.app/settings/install has download links."
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I'm actually a fan, but I get what you mean. I feel like she just writes what's on her mind, when she's writing for her named website. Her writing for The Index is a bit more by the books internet journalism.
And yeah I agree sharing this on here is a bit of a circle jerk, but articles like this get shared around in the mainstream and show people still captured by the big platforms another way. I've definitely emailed a couple of her articles around to friends, and I can't be the only one.
I liked her enough to follow on Mastodon so I’m with you there. Thanks for explaining that. I didn’t realize she had her own site and her own publication.
I didn’t mean just sharing here but she frequently writes on exactly this topic then shares to mastodon then here. Almost like all the HN posts sharing their own blogs about why blogging is good, lol. Which I still enjoy.
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"Lemmy is an alternative to Reddit, you can visit https://phtn.app/ to have a look at the content. If you prefer an app, https://vger.app/settings/install has download links."
Here’s how you get on Instagram or Reddit or whatever:
- Go to whatever app store you use
- download
- enter email, username, and password
- verification email
You’re done. Your voyager link is not the whole process.
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The problem isn’t that the fediverse isn’t viable. The problem isn’t that it’s “too complicated.” The problem is that the giants of Silicon Valley have spent 20 years convincing us that anything outside their control isn’t worth our time.
And that’s just not bloody true.
Couldn't have said it better myself
I jumped over here a couple weeks ago at the request of another redditor and it's like a breath of fresh air.
I still check out reddit for a couple subs that just don't have enough interaction over here "yet".
I've mentioned lemmy a couple times over there and got replies like " it's just too complicated " etc. and now that I think about it they were most likely bots
Ima go back to the cesspool and investigate
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I’m down to have a serious conversation but please don’t be patronizing with that “bud” crap
I don't want to have any kind of conversation with you just here to speak my mind and make you reas it
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Where moving from one service to another doesn’t mean losing everything you’ve built and everything you’ve ever said.
I generally agree with this post, but this isn't true. It would require portable identities.
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Now, I also think that the monymaker needing to serve millions of people can go and do that elsewhere.
That's the issue. If we're gonna get evil tech bros out of our human interactions, we need to build a platform that doesn't reject people who like to eat.
Journalists need to get access to sources, and want to see when events are happening.
Documentary creators want a way to create interesting and useful videos that will earn them a living.
Streamers want a platform that can serve a bunch of users with near-realtime (okay, just fast) interactions.
That's what OP's link is missing: being able to use a platform to do your preferred job is one of the things that makes a platform compelling. Until we have that, we're rejecting a big part of our audience.
You are right of course, I just think it might be easier to start small. Starting small means we already have the bandwidth to do so, we just need the software.
I'm working on the tenfingers sharing protocol which could be used to kickstart a more anonymous decentralised web.
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You and I know this but people at first glance generally do not. Then you try to explain to them how Federation works and their eyes gloss over
Honest question but why would the fediverse even want billions of users signing up and using the platform? I enjoy it here because it's a step away from that sort of thing and covers niche topics because it's mostly nerds using this.
Keep in mind a ton of people still don't even have a clue what reddit is. They're all attracted to the massive ones
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Where moving from one service to another doesn’t mean losing everything you’ve built and everything you’ve ever said.
I generally agree with this post, but this isn't true. It would require portable identities.
Your past comments are still available even if you switch to a new account
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I jumped over here a couple weeks ago at the request of another redditor and it's like a breath of fresh air.
I still check out reddit for a couple subs that just don't have enough interaction over here "yet".
I've mentioned lemmy a couple times over there and got replies like " it's just too complicated " etc. and now that I think about it they were most likely bots
Ima go back to the cesspool and investigate
I’ve mentioned lemmy a couple times over there and got replies like " it’s just too complicated " etc. and now that I think about it they were most likely bots
Ima go back to the cesspool and investigate
Feel free to join us on [email protected]
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Welcome to Lemmy, here are a few pointers to help you settle in
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Here’s how you get on Instagram or Reddit or whatever:
- Go to whatever app store you use
- download
- enter email, username, and password
- verification email
You’re done. Your voyager link is not the whole process.
We could maybe ask lemm.ee admins to enable automatic email verification, but then they would need to fight the unavoidable spam bots registration waves
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I don't want to have any kind of conversation with you just here to speak my mind and make you reas it
Ok Mr “speak my mind,” again your comment makes no sense. You can’t get karma without commenting and posting, both of which you can do day 1
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We could maybe ask lemm.ee admins to enable automatic email verification, but then they would need to fight the unavoidable spam bots registration waves
Email verification isn’t the issue. Every platform uses that. I’m saying the above is simpler than joining the fediverse and “getting around.”
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Rofl, Romeo and Juliet is like the definition of a tragedy.
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maybe this place is just not for influencers - not like the corp platforms, anyway
The things people need to build a livelihood on a platform are quality of life features. In a lot of cases, I think it's small stuff: being able to reward patrons with a tag on a specific community; automatically highlighting popular posts; making it easy to find a user's monetization page; etc.
I think the fediverse will attract more and more people with its network effects, but probably never all of the people all of the time.
At the moment, Lemmy is an ad-free version of Reddit missing some community and notification features. There are good political reasons to be here, but that hasn't driven a sustained increase in users.
So we won't get critical mass for network effects by being a better Reddit.
One to make the platform self-sustaining (or grow) is to give creators a reason to use the platform, which will give people a reason to come and stay.
It's not just ad-free, it's actively anti-corporate, anti-advertising, even anti-monetization. I would go so far as to say even anti-content in some ways. That's a cultural disconnect that goes beyond tooling.
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And what I’m trying to say is that the big dogs don’t have quirks. They are intuitive to the point where 98% of people can figure them out in seconds the moment they look at them. They have spent billions of dollars over decades learning how to create as little friction as possible to get new users onto their platforms.
PieFed closes most of those gaps. It's not quite as fully featured as Lemmy, in particular the search function (but then again, Reddit's search doesn't work either?:-P), but it's super easy to get started on the Threadiverse.
For one thing, you don't even need an account or to download anything at all to start using it immediately to browse content from all across Lemmy. And the Categories of Communities featuring topic areas, which you can customize yourself and/or share with others, provide that multi-Reddit feel that people, especially from Reddit, really crave. See e.g. Arts & Crafts, and note the subheadings beneath, such as Photography. There is simply no comparison between this and e.g. the default setting for Lemmy being to only show Local content (a setting which lemmy.ml still uses today) for those without accounts.
Then if you decide to create an account, a wizard walks you through various settings, asking the user for their preferences and automatically subscribing to multiple communities based on the answers. Multiple types of News, multiple types of Politics, etc. Or just don't bother subscribing at all, so that it doesn't flood your Subscribed feed, yet still be able to access it immediately with the Topic Category at any time.
It's not perfect, but it's damn good:-). And for those who do want it, testing is underway for an app (Thunder).
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Honestly lemmy specifically is good enough to scratch my Reddit itch. We may not be able to post our way out of fascism, but we can certainly post our way out of the centralized, enshittified platforms like Reddit where we came from.
I think it's more difficult in applications where you want or have to bring a lot of friends to make the apps useful, but in the case of lemmy specifically if there's a baseline level of activity that's enough to fulfill 90% of what i used Reddit for (i.e. snarky memes and random back and forths with relative strangers).
That's the spirit. Reddit and all other social media died for me during the exodus 1 1/2 years ago. Since then i go to lemmy and I'm fine. Tbh I'm not really sure if more user will not also pull commercial interests into the fediverse and if that is something I'm looking forward to, but for now, everything seems like reddit around 2010, not too big but big enough to not being out of content after scrolling for 10 mins.
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Your past comments are still available even if you switch to a new account
Migrating account would be a big upgrade.
