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Russia says it will react “very negatively” if Ali Khamenei is killed

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    Yeah, and there were plenty of left journalists on the payroll of Moscow in the 60s. They tended to cover the civil rights movement and anti-war movement very positively, does that mean the leaders of those movements were also secretly agents of the communists?

    Has there been any proof that the people OP mentioned have any connection to putin? Don't get me wrong there all horrible people, but it's not because there "Russian assets" and if they're gonna go against this God awful war then good on them.

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    I mean, many of those leaders were communists... But not agents of the Soviets, which was a convenient accusation tho

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      “Very negatively” as opposed to what? Mild negativity?

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      Saber rattling, very menacingly.

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      • lennybird@lemmy.worldL [email protected]

        To the contrary, I am conflating the fact that the alleged "anti-war" person (your words) suddenly wasn't "anti-war" when Russia invaded Ukraine as being a Putin puppet; that, and the fact that US intelligence reports found that Russia was promoting Tulsi as the Democratic primaries candidate in 2020, among other things.

        Bystanders take note how this individual is trying really hard to separate Tulsi Gabbard from the Kremlin. Like, really hard. Deflections and all.

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        I don't give a fuck about those people. What I give a fuck about is this:

        Watching the divide in republican circles on Iran has been a great way to see who is under Kremlin control.

        Is conflating being against the war with Iran with being Putin's puppet and is drumming support for the war. Stop supporting Trump's war.

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          Putin has already requested that Chuck Schumer write a strongly worded letter on his behalf.

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            Don't forget the 3rd camp of military industrial complexists, just in it to make money bombing whoever wherever

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            Pretty sure that's the Netanyahu camp.

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            • N [email protected]

              This is just "the anti Vietnam War protestors are secretly working for the soviets" for the modern era. There were just as many conspiracies that left liberals were secretly agents of Moscow in the 60s.

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              I’m going to respond to a later comment of yours here for the sake of visibility.

              Tucker Carlson flew to Russia to interview Vladimir Putin last year. That trip was financed by Tenant Media - the same group that was revealed to have been financed by Russia for the sake of spreading Russian talking points. Justin Trudeau gave testimony under oath that Tucker was shilling for Russia.

              • How Russian operatives covertly hired U.S. influencers to create viral videos
              • Right-wing US influencers say they were victims of alleged Russian plot
              • Tucker Carlson Funded by Russian Propaganda Machine, Justin Trudeau Testifies Under Oath

              It is more challenging, generally, to show that politicians are illegally taking money from foreign interests because the pathways by which money is publicly disclosed are more well-known. So the pathways through which money may be hidden can also be followed to disguise the source of income. Unless one gets caught.

              As did an aid of Rand Paul’s, who helped funnel Russian money into the RNC during the 2016 election, and whom was later pardoned by Trump, at Rand Paul’s urging.

              • Former Rand Paul aide, pardoned by Trump, charged with funneling Russian money into 2016 election
              • Ex-Rand Paul aide pardoned by Trump convicted of illegally funneling Russian cash to Trump campaign

              As far as Gabbard is concerned - no money trails, but even her own staff think she’s compromised.

              • Tulsi Gabbard’s Own Ex-Staffers Expose Her as a Russian Stooge
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                Saber rattling, very menacingly.

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                That's Russia and China in a nutshell. Trump does it too, but that's just because he's mimicking daddy Putin.

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                • S [email protected]

                  I don't give a fuck about those people. What I give a fuck about is this:

                  Watching the divide in republican circles on Iran has been a great way to see who is under Kremlin control.

                  Is conflating being against the war with Iran with being Putin's puppet and is drumming support for the war. Stop supporting Trump's war.

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                  Never once did I say that solely being against war with Iran meant someone was Putin's puppet. Never. Either work on your reading comprehension or get your eyes checked.

                  What I did say is that those specific Republican members who are known Kremlin parrots conveniently oppose the war for ulterior motives. This much is clear.

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                    ++reasonsToDoIt

                    They have an army of donkeys lined up at the border.
                    etc

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                    • itslilith@lemmy.blahaj.zoneI [email protected]

                      I mean, many of those leaders were communists... But not agents of the Soviets, which was a convenient accusation tho

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                      Maybe "communist" by the 60s definition as in anyone to the left of keynes then yeah I guess so, but MLK wasn't a communist in any real political sense.

                      The analogy still holds though, many of the leaders OP is pointing out are regressive right wing nationalist who would naturally align with putin without being agents of the Kremlin.

                      Both these accusations tend to put the blame of these movements on foreigners meddling with our democracy instead of real strains of thought coming from that democracy that need to be addressed.

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                        I hate war.

                        But if daddy Vladdy is mad…

                        I still hate war.

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                        • lennybird@lemmy.worldL [email protected]

                          I'm just saying that it's amusing the only anti-war Republicans in the administration and Congress are ones who've long looked, acted, and quacked like Kremlin assets:

                          • You've got Tulsi Gabbard literally echoing Kremlin propaganda verbatim on Western imperialism (yet not making a peep about Russia's invasion of Ukraine)
                          • You've got Tucker Carlson flying to Moscow, simping for Putin, trying to show how great Russia is in contrast to the USA.
                          • You've got Rand Paul flying to Moscow hand-delivering letters on behalf of Trump.

                          There may be an intersection of my desire to not want to escalate for completely different reasons, and Kremlin operatives not wanting their ally and arms supplier to be crippled, but that is all.

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                          Yeah, but have you seen Russian grocery stores? They have food!

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                            ++reasonsToDoIt

                            They have an army of donkeys lined up at the border.
                            etc

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                            They need the donkeys to combat the antelope invasion though

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                            • matttheprogrammer@lemmy.worldM [email protected]

                              Putin has already requested that Chuck Schumer write a strongly worded letter on his behalf.

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                              Schumer said he would do it, but forgot 40 minutes later.

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                                Russia's basically already on two fronts and just lost a huge proportion of its strategic bombers.

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                                Iran is their ally yet they’ve allowed Israel to strike Iran with out repercussions so they’re sending a lot of mixed messages

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                                • N [email protected]

                                  Maybe "communist" by the 60s definition as in anyone to the left of keynes then yeah I guess so, but MLK wasn't a communist in any real political sense.

                                  The analogy still holds though, many of the leaders OP is pointing out are regressive right wing nationalist who would naturally align with putin without being agents of the Kremlin.

                                  Both these accusations tend to put the blame of these movements on foreigners meddling with our democracy instead of real strains of thought coming from that democracy that need to be addressed.

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                                  Yes, MLK was one of the most moderate representatives of the movement, yet even he was a democratic socialist (even if that played much less of a role in his convictions than his christianity)

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                                    Oh no. Anyways I still hope he gets the Gaddafi treatment and still don't want America to go to war with Iran.

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                                      Yeah, but have you seen Russian grocery stores? They have food!

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                                      Im not currently impressed but may change my tune within the year

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                                      • lennybird@lemmy.worldL [email protected]

                                        Never once did I say that solely being against war with Iran meant someone was Putin's puppet. Never. Either work on your reading comprehension or get your eyes checked.

                                        What I did say is that those specific Republican members who are known Kremlin parrots conveniently oppose the war for ulterior motives. This much is clear.

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                                        known Kremlin parrots conveniently oppose the war for ulterior motives

                                        What "ulterior motives" if not for being Putin's puppets? It can't be because they aren't Israel's puppets like Cruz or Trump. It can't be because war with Iran is fucking stupid.

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                                          Oh no. Anyways I still hope he gets the Gaddafi treatment and still don't want America to go to war with Iran.

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                                          America just did go to war with Iran.

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