Type of key? And how to get broken part out of lock?
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1. Type of key?
The brand is Phillips but they make various types. The type here is (not sure of the correct jargon) without vertical ridges and notches. And both sides of the key are identical.
I've looked at some diagrams of key types and I'm not sure exactly. Is it a "dimple key"? Something else?
2. How to remove broken part from lock?
Location: Door between bedroom and garden.
Situation:
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Someone bent the key a little, and it was stuck, couldn't get it out. On the inside of the door. At that point still able to lock and unlock from the inside only. Using other key from the outside does nothing, doesn't even turn.
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I tried gently straightening it but it immediately snapped.
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Now: can still open and close the door using the handle. Can still, with difficulty, lock and unlock the door (from inside only) by carefully pressing the head of the key against what is in the lock and turning.
A lot of info online for removing broken key blades from locks are for the "traditional" kind of key with vertical ridges and notches.
I have a screwdriver that fits all the screws and I can access all sides of the lock (inside, outside, edge), but I'm not sure if that's relevant. I've tried tweezers but it's too snug.
If I need more tools or equipment, I'll get them tomorrow.
Why wouldn't you just replace the whole lock?
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Use a broken key extractor.
Wouldn't a functioning key extractor work better than a broken one?
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1. Type of key?
The brand is Phillips but they make various types. The type here is (not sure of the correct jargon) without vertical ridges and notches. And both sides of the key are identical.
I've looked at some diagrams of key types and I'm not sure exactly. Is it a "dimple key"? Something else?
2. How to remove broken part from lock?
Location: Door between bedroom and garden.
Situation:
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Someone bent the key a little, and it was stuck, couldn't get it out. On the inside of the door. At that point still able to lock and unlock from the inside only. Using other key from the outside does nothing, doesn't even turn.
-
I tried gently straightening it but it immediately snapped.
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Now: can still open and close the door using the handle. Can still, with difficulty, lock and unlock the door (from inside only) by carefully pressing the head of the key against what is in the lock and turning.
A lot of info online for removing broken key blades from locks are for the "traditional" kind of key with vertical ridges and notches.
I have a screwdriver that fits all the screws and I can access all sides of the lock (inside, outside, edge), but I'm not sure if that's relevant. I've tried tweezers but it's too snug.
If I need more tools or equipment, I'll get them tomorrow.
superglue.
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Why wouldn't you just replace the whole lock?
wrote on last edited by [email protected]This. Some people don't realise how ridiculously easy it is to change a lock when you can open the door with a key.
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Put the working key into the lock
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Undo this screw
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Turn the key slightly back and forth whilst pulling the cylinder out until it starts to come out. Then just pull it all out.
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Mark which side was front and back
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Measure from the middle locking mechanism of the cylinder to the ends.
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Find a lock with the same lengths. It'll be like 60/40 (100mm total length).
6b. Optional: get one with a fixed turnkey on the inside.
- Replace lock by reverse.
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Wouldn't a functioning key extractor work better than a broken one?
I like the cut of your jib.
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Dental pick, like the kind that your hygienist uses to give you PTSD should do the trick.
OP’s description of trying to pull the key out when it broke, makes me think the key may also be bound/frozen in the lock. I don’t think you’re supposed to use wet lubricants in a lock, but they may need to use a penetrating lubricant (like wd-40) along with the dental pick.
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This is the answer.
The only downside is you can see how stripped those screws are even in this photo. That'll be fun.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]On this type of latch (mortise) the third screw is often stripped (because it’s a set screw that holds the lock cylinder in place and often the notch in the cylinder is misaligned / on the wrong side) but _un_screwing it should be easy.
The cylinder itself, however, is usually finely threaded and can require a fair amount of torque to get started, especially without using the key for additional purchase.
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1. Type of key?
The brand is Phillips but they make various types. The type here is (not sure of the correct jargon) without vertical ridges and notches. And both sides of the key are identical.
I've looked at some diagrams of key types and I'm not sure exactly. Is it a "dimple key"? Something else?
2. How to remove broken part from lock?
Location: Door between bedroom and garden.
Situation:
-
Someone bent the key a little, and it was stuck, couldn't get it out. On the inside of the door. At that point still able to lock and unlock from the inside only. Using other key from the outside does nothing, doesn't even turn.
-
I tried gently straightening it but it immediately snapped.
-
Now: can still open and close the door using the handle. Can still, with difficulty, lock and unlock the door (from inside only) by carefully pressing the head of the key against what is in the lock and turning.
A lot of info online for removing broken key blades from locks are for the "traditional" kind of key with vertical ridges and notches.
I have a screwdriver that fits all the screws and I can access all sides of the lock (inside, outside, edge), but I'm not sure if that's relevant. I've tried tweezers but it's too snug.
If I need more tools or equipment, I'll get them tomorrow.
There's a pretty good chance that you can get a bit of wire or a fine pick and push the key through from the other side, I'd be trying that first.
Aside from that the next easiest solution is likely to just disassemble the lock and replace the cylinder as others have suggested.
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1. Type of key?
The brand is Phillips but they make various types. The type here is (not sure of the correct jargon) without vertical ridges and notches. And both sides of the key are identical.
I've looked at some diagrams of key types and I'm not sure exactly. Is it a "dimple key"? Something else?
2. How to remove broken part from lock?
Location: Door between bedroom and garden.
Situation:
-
Someone bent the key a little, and it was stuck, couldn't get it out. On the inside of the door. At that point still able to lock and unlock from the inside only. Using other key from the outside does nothing, doesn't even turn.
-
I tried gently straightening it but it immediately snapped.
-
Now: can still open and close the door using the handle. Can still, with difficulty, lock and unlock the door (from inside only) by carefully pressing the head of the key against what is in the lock and turning.
A lot of info online for removing broken key blades from locks are for the "traditional" kind of key with vertical ridges and notches.
I have a screwdriver that fits all the screws and I can access all sides of the lock (inside, outside, edge), but I'm not sure if that's relevant. I've tried tweezers but it's too snug.
If I need more tools or equipment, I'll get them tomorrow.
Strong magnet maybe?
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Strong magnet maybe?
thanks david
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Neat! Didn't know there was such a thing. Another poster suggested a dental pick kit, not as good but more versatile.
You can dental pick a lock, but can you lock pick a dentist?
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1. Type of key?
The brand is Phillips but they make various types. The type here is (not sure of the correct jargon) without vertical ridges and notches. And both sides of the key are identical.
I've looked at some diagrams of key types and I'm not sure exactly. Is it a "dimple key"? Something else?
2. How to remove broken part from lock?
Location: Door between bedroom and garden.
Situation:
-
Someone bent the key a little, and it was stuck, couldn't get it out. On the inside of the door. At that point still able to lock and unlock from the inside only. Using other key from the outside does nothing, doesn't even turn.
-
I tried gently straightening it but it immediately snapped.
-
Now: can still open and close the door using the handle. Can still, with difficulty, lock and unlock the door (from inside only) by carefully pressing the head of the key against what is in the lock and turning.
A lot of info online for removing broken key blades from locks are for the "traditional" kind of key with vertical ridges and notches.
I have a screwdriver that fits all the screws and I can access all sides of the lock (inside, outside, edge), but I'm not sure if that's relevant. I've tried tweezers but it's too snug.
If I need more tools or equipment, I'll get them tomorrow.
While an ignorant rober is trying his luck at trying to open your door a smart one is already gone with your stuff and the police already blasted your door open. I would just get a normal key.
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Hot glue gun glue stick. Melt end, attach, wait a few, pull.
I saw this on TikTok once /jk
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Hot glue gun glue stick. Melt end, attach, wait a few, pull.
Very small, precision needle-nose pliers work as well, but there needs to at least be a very small part of the key-break to grab. If the key somehow snaps in a position that's even slightly recessed, I've used a tootpick and tiny dab of superglue (not enough to spread and touch the lock itself - be careful lol).
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There's a pretty good chance that you can get a bit of wire or a fine pick and push the key through from the other side, I'd be trying that first.
Aside from that the next easiest solution is likely to just disassemble the lock and replace the cylinder as others have suggested.
Also, remember to use a lot of lube (WD-40 would me my pick)
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While an ignorant rober is trying his luck at trying to open your door a smart one is already gone with your stuff and the police already blasted your door open. I would just get a normal key.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]This type of keyhole is generally harder to pick than a regular barded key. Well, obviously not when the key is stuck in the keyhole.
Source: I watch The Lockpicking Lawyer.
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1. Type of key?
The brand is Phillips but they make various types. The type here is (not sure of the correct jargon) without vertical ridges and notches. And both sides of the key are identical.
I've looked at some diagrams of key types and I'm not sure exactly. Is it a "dimple key"? Something else?
2. How to remove broken part from lock?
Location: Door between bedroom and garden.
Situation:
-
Someone bent the key a little, and it was stuck, couldn't get it out. On the inside of the door. At that point still able to lock and unlock from the inside only. Using other key from the outside does nothing, doesn't even turn.
-
I tried gently straightening it but it immediately snapped.
-
Now: can still open and close the door using the handle. Can still, with difficulty, lock and unlock the door (from inside only) by carefully pressing the head of the key against what is in the lock and turning.
A lot of info online for removing broken key blades from locks are for the "traditional" kind of key with vertical ridges and notches.
I have a screwdriver that fits all the screws and I can access all sides of the lock (inside, outside, edge), but I'm not sure if that's relevant. I've tried tweezers but it's too snug.
If I need more tools or equipment, I'll get them tomorrow.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]I would remove it from the door, apply sewing machine oil and then slam it onto a surface until a part appears that I can grab with pliers.
I have never done this and it might not work but destroy your lock.
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1. Type of key?
The brand is Phillips but they make various types. The type here is (not sure of the correct jargon) without vertical ridges and notches. And both sides of the key are identical.
I've looked at some diagrams of key types and I'm not sure exactly. Is it a "dimple key"? Something else?
2. How to remove broken part from lock?
Location: Door between bedroom and garden.
Situation:
-
Someone bent the key a little, and it was stuck, couldn't get it out. On the inside of the door. At that point still able to lock and unlock from the inside only. Using other key from the outside does nothing, doesn't even turn.
-
I tried gently straightening it but it immediately snapped.
-
Now: can still open and close the door using the handle. Can still, with difficulty, lock and unlock the door (from inside only) by carefully pressing the head of the key against what is in the lock and turning.
A lot of info online for removing broken key blades from locks are for the "traditional" kind of key with vertical ridges and notches.
I have a screwdriver that fits all the screws and I can access all sides of the lock (inside, outside, edge), but I'm not sure if that's relevant. I've tried tweezers but it's too snug.
If I need more tools or equipment, I'll get them tomorrow.
Main problem seems solved but I just want to point out that this is not a super secure or modern lock.
Very unlikely anyone will ever actually try picking the lock on your house, BUT if they did, this lock won't do an incredible amount to stop them.
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1. Type of key?
The brand is Phillips but they make various types. The type here is (not sure of the correct jargon) without vertical ridges and notches. And both sides of the key are identical.
I've looked at some diagrams of key types and I'm not sure exactly. Is it a "dimple key"? Something else?
2. How to remove broken part from lock?
Location: Door between bedroom and garden.
Situation:
-
Someone bent the key a little, and it was stuck, couldn't get it out. On the inside of the door. At that point still able to lock and unlock from the inside only. Using other key from the outside does nothing, doesn't even turn.
-
I tried gently straightening it but it immediately snapped.
-
Now: can still open and close the door using the handle. Can still, with difficulty, lock and unlock the door (from inside only) by carefully pressing the head of the key against what is in the lock and turning.
A lot of info online for removing broken key blades from locks are for the "traditional" kind of key with vertical ridges and notches.
I have a screwdriver that fits all the screws and I can access all sides of the lock (inside, outside, edge), but I'm not sure if that's relevant. I've tried tweezers but it's too snug.
If I need more tools or equipment, I'll get them tomorrow.
I've had luck melting a hot glue stick and pressing it on the head, letting it cool, and pulling it out, but you would also be best replacing the lock since you can open the door
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1. Type of key?
The brand is Phillips but they make various types. The type here is (not sure of the correct jargon) without vertical ridges and notches. And both sides of the key are identical.
I've looked at some diagrams of key types and I'm not sure exactly. Is it a "dimple key"? Something else?
2. How to remove broken part from lock?
Location: Door between bedroom and garden.
Situation:
-
Someone bent the key a little, and it was stuck, couldn't get it out. On the inside of the door. At that point still able to lock and unlock from the inside only. Using other key from the outside does nothing, doesn't even turn.
-
I tried gently straightening it but it immediately snapped.
-
Now: can still open and close the door using the handle. Can still, with difficulty, lock and unlock the door (from inside only) by carefully pressing the head of the key against what is in the lock and turning.
A lot of info online for removing broken key blades from locks are for the "traditional" kind of key with vertical ridges and notches.
I have a screwdriver that fits all the screws and I can access all sides of the lock (inside, outside, edge), but I'm not sure if that's relevant. I've tried tweezers but it's too snug.
If I need more tools or equipment, I'll get them tomorrow.
Locksmith here. In a pinch, I've ground the back of a jigsaw blade down, leaving just the teeth on the blade (short enough to fit above the key). Jigsaw blades, especially those intended for metal, are hardened and will easily bite into just about any key, giving enough leverage to pull out the broken piece.
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