Seems like the perfect day to ask: Muricans, what's your dream country to expatriate to? Non-Muricans, what's the thought on accepting US refugees?
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Mexico == cartels????!?!!!?!??
the cartels hold massive influence over the govt, straight up killing their legislators in significant numbers at times.
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Germany. I might be able to claim ancestry rights. Ironic that my great grandmother fled fascism in Germany but I'd flee America to return to the motherland.
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Korea is facing a huge population crisis in the not-so-distant future. They already have ties to the U.S., too.
Had to scroll too far to find Korea.
Been here since 2016. It can be tough finding a job at a not shitty company, but once you do, it's pretty sweet.
But if you're in your 20s and dating, be prepared for all the bullshit. It gets better in your 30s, though there are still customs you need to figure out.
Housing is expensive in Seoul, and real estate agents may scam you, so find a Korean friend.
Otherwise, it's great. People are nice to foreigners. Public transit in Seoul and most of the country is amazing. Everything is super convenient. You can get away without learning the language, but at least try to get to a basic level. The foreigner community is pretty cool. Healthcare is excellent. I love it here.
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I always wanted to live in a country that was totally different from America when I was a kid. I thought either India, China, or Japan back then, but now I’m not sure I’d want to live in any of them right now.
I guess I could go to nearby countries that don’t have global headlines like them say like Bangladesh, Thailand, or Indonesia, but I don’t really know anything about them.
I think the smart option would be somewhere in Europe, but I kinda want to get away or at least take a break from “western” culture.
I guess I can’t name a dream country, but somewhere with a totally different culture. I’d also want it to have a bunch of ruins and historical sites to visit. I’ve never seen anything older than like 150 years in person.
Where do you live in America? The northeast has cities with things/buildings older than the birth of America (pre-1776) if you want to visit.
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The kind of american that usually comes to Mexico is very nice, very welcome. Maybe the exceptions are the very loud and self absorbed ones that go to resort locations and act like they're better than everyone there.
As long as people want to integrate and cooperate they are more than welcome.
Now, the sad part is the gentrification that comes with a lot of people moving and outpaying rent vs the locals. Now the average cost of living in Mexico city is about 50% higher than the average salary, and about 100% higher than the median salary. Another very negative thing is that now a lot of locals have to communicate in english because American people will come and not learn spanish over multiple years living here. There are zones where everything is in english now. It's okay speaking english, it's not okay expecting english from everyone.
So a few pointers:
- Integrate, pay taxes, consume locally
- Try and move into already gentrified places, avoid displacing more people
- Push for social policy, increased affordable living spaces, invest in the country where you move into to improve the locals' life
Be friendly, but that's always
La ciudad de México is what I've been thinking of. seems like a fabulous place. doubt I could take the heat and I'm more likely to end up in Asia, but Mexico City and Toronto are top contenders
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Why is the difference between immigrant and ex patriot?
silly responses here... the actual difference is permanence. immigration is relocating your life. expatriating is an extended vacation. it has the white guy connotation because white people usually stay temporarily, they dont immigrate for life.
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I don’t want to start over. I’d rather die.
you're lucky you're not in love with an immigrant then
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I googled a bit, my best bet is Canada.
Large population of the Chinese diaspora, so I don't feel too much like a minority (I am Chinese American).
The other choice is Australia.
EU is great, but since the UK isn't in EU anymore, I'd have to chose a non-English country, meaning, I'd have to learn another language. My brain can't handle that. Already have 3 spoken and 2 written languages stuck in my head (mostly dormant, haven't used some those languages for a while), I think my brain will explode if I try to learn more. Population of the Chinese diaspora is too small. So I'd also feel alone, because like... Imagine living in a place where nobody looks like you. Like a Black American kid in the deep south of the US and all your classmates are white, that's how it feels basically. As for the UK, I wouldn't need to learn another language, but UK just had a xenophobic riot in 2024, doesn't seem too friendly in my opinion. If the UK was in EU, I could just pack up and to go another EU country if Shit Hits the Fan, its what I like about the EU, options. But too bad UK isn't in EU...
There is also Singapore, which has like over 70% ethnic Chinese, and the official languages include English and Mandarin, which I already know.
Not technically "dream countries", but the most realistic countries that would be livable for me. Because I doubt I can speak Norweigian or Finnish. (Even tho I would love those countries)
TLDR: As a Chinese American, Canada as first choice, Australia as second place. Then probably Sinapore.
(Sorry if I'm rambling, can't express it coherently since ICE raids are on my mind)
Edit: I would probably also say Taiwan as an option, well... other than the fact that they are constantly on the verge of getting invaded, and I am not fond of the CCP.
wrote last edited by [email protected]Singapore seems a smart choice. Seems like a great city from everyone I've met from there. The general English proficiency is excellent as well.
Whatever you do, avoid Europe. The anti-Asian racism in most of Europe is far more grave than it is in the Americas. and Australia, ok, you'll have more Chinese community, but it's probably the biggest cesspool of anti-Asian racism on the planet
You might also look into what Chinese populations are in South America. you might like it there.
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La ciudad de México is what I've been thinking of. seems like a fabulous place. doubt I could take the heat and I'm more likely to end up in Asia, but Mexico City and Toronto are top contenders
Luckily mexico city is not actually that hot, quite humid though
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Luckily mexico city is not actually that hot, quite humid though
yeah I'd prefer -30 over +30 and humid
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yeah I'd prefer -30 over +30 and humid
Now the good thing with humidity is that refrigeration works wonders, and in Mexico Mini Splits are super cheap, as is electricity
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Honestly the Netherlands seems pretty great.
How's the food?
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I was going to say Italy but they seem to be going fash again so... north sentinel island?
North Sentinel Island is willing to welcome you with a gift of their finest bow and arrow show
(Serious tho, please don't disturb uncontacted tribes)
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Californian - i want us, oregon, and washington to join canada.
It would be a dream if CANZUK happened, then it was joined by California and Cascadia. We could call it CACACANZUK.
That said, you would already be a powerful nation without joining anyone else. Don't wait for us to get organised.
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How's the food?
Dutch food is pretty bland, but plenty of Indonesian, Moroccan and Turkish immigrants to add some desperately needed variety.
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No where. I like America.
Fair enough
What are my other options, realistically?
Lots of them really
Britain which just banned porn?
No they didn't, they just force age verification, which is also common in the USA. So you have the exact same "problem" there, but are missing the free healthcare, and other benefits from the UK in relation to the USA.
Australia which banned Hentai?
Yeah, Australia is weird, they also banned several games and similar stuff because they have a government that's very focused on moral problems, much like the right wing in the USA, so I don't think it will be long before the USA goes down this same rabbit hole of "won't somebody please think of the children" and bans the same things.
Canada, which is just America but cold and sky high housing costs?
I don't even know how to reply to this, the fact that you think that a country that consistently picks the complete opposite policies from the USA is the same means you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. It's like if someone told you they don't want to stop eating deep fried chicken because salad is just the same thing except cold and more expensive.
The reality in Australia is nothing like what the world seems to think it is. The dumb laws are just performative actions by populist politicians. If I recall, the game bans were mostly because of one politician who made it his personal crusade.
Not much is actually enforced. Every time someone mentions one of these draconian Australian laws I have to check if it's actually real. I hear about it more from US media trying to paint us as some kind of dystopia, probably because of our gun laws.
We're not perfect though. We could be doing much better with progressive legislation, but I feel more free here than I ever have in the US.
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My grandfather was Finnish, so that seems like a natural choice, but I would probably say Uruguay because it seems like a nice relatively affordable place and I could improve my (terrible) Spanish (i don't speak any Finnish).
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I’m taking Spanish right now, both to better support immigrants in my community and to possibly move to Oaxaca Mexico if necessary. I plan to visit a few more times in the next year or so, just to figure out things just in case. I don’t feel like it’s the time to leave yet - I have a pretty good intuitive sense for disasters.
I LEANfired at 44 so I can’t really go somewhere that requires a work visa, and I’m not rich enough for a golden ticket in many places.
France is actually a possibility because I’m fluent, I lived there briefly- but I prefer the art and culture in Mexico, and generally people are easier to get to know.
I’m also visiting my friends off grid in Montana, and may discuss with them rolling my tiny house up there someday. I know there’s a lot of crazy people up there but where they are is a bit away from that.
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Non-American here. All Americans, except MAGA muricans, are welcome.
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To me The Netherlands is just weed, bikes, trains, and canals. Sounds great.
I'm also fairly sure it's not going to be as great as it sounds. And the language will probably be annoying and not very useful elsewhere.
@[email protected] Netherlands also has a xenophobia problem. It's not as progressive as people think, at least not anymore.
That being said, it's not a bad country. Also one of the easiest EU countries for Americans to immigrate to.
