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  • N [email protected]

    It is on the mobile one

    - dash
    — em,
    
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    #65

    Correction:

    • hyphen
      – En dash
      — Em dash
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    • queermunist@lemmy.mlQ [email protected]

      My keyboard does not have an em dash and I have never seen one that does.

      Still sus. 🤔

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      #66

      Right CTRL + --- (right CTRL is my compose touch)

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      • jaymesrs@literature.cafeJ [email protected]

        You can pry my em dashes — which I use regularly in writing because I love them — from my cold dead hands (To be fair, I really like parenthetical statements too, could be an ADHD thing).

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        I've been using em dashes for years. I learnt the alt code for them, because using hyphens for dashes looks awful (before that I'd do the double hyphen for an em dash). Also, like me, I notice you put spaces around the em dashes, which is apparently incorrect, but also according to me is the right way to do it.

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        • Z [email protected]

          Well at least you're safe from suspicion.

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          You should try to find someone to better you (^_^)

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          • B [email protected]

            Em dashes and emojis

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            #69

            Apparently there's even an en dash and a hyphen.

            The English language is so fucked.

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            • 9 [email protected]

              Annoyingly I've used them for a number of years as a good way to make internet comments flow a bit more. However I find myself doing it less and less now because I'm worried people are just going to think I'm using an AI if they see an em dash.

              (You just long press dash on android to get to it, opt+shift+dash on Mac, and the admittedly Byzantine alt+0151 on windows. Can't remember iOS off the top of my head, but I think it's similar to android)

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              I use them all the time. I typically have -- auto correct to — so its super easy

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              • J [email protected]

                the actual emdash symbol isn't really something you can do when texting from your phone

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                #71

                You actually can – just long-press the dash.

                En-dash: –
                Em-dash: —
                Dot: •

                You can also do proper ellipses by long-pressing the full stop…

                And long-press most letters for more options: ă é ï ø û æ œ ç ñ $ £ €

                Pretty much everything is in there.

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                • M [email protected]

                  Apparently there's even an en dash and a hyphen.

                  The English language is so fucked.

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                  There's even the en-dash, the hyphen and the minus sign, which are theoretically all typographically distinct.

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                  • zagorath@aussie.zoneZ [email protected]

                    Dvorak. It's a person's name, so only the first letter is capitalised.

                    Anyway, that article uses a lot of words to come to...basically no conclusion whatsoever. I don't know why anyone would link it when trying to make any sort of a point.

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                    "No conclusion whatsoever" is basically the scientific consensus on whether Dvorak has any effect on efficiency or typing speed. It's hard to get good data because it's hard to isolate other factors and a lot of the studies on it are full of bias or have really small sample sizes (or both).

                    To anyone thinking of learning Dvorak, my advice is don't. It takes ages to get good at, isn't THAT much better and causes a lot of little annoyances when random programs decide to ignore your layout settings or you sit down at someone else's computer and start touch typing in the wrong layout from muscle memory or games tell you to press "E" when they mean "." or they do say "." but it's so small that you don't know if it's a dot or a comma and then you hit the wrong one and your guy runs forward and you die...

                    That said, I'm also a Dvorak user and it is very comfortable and satisfying and better than qwerty. Just not enough to be worth all the pain of switching.

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                    • B [email protected]

                      Em dashes and emojis

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                      #74

                      Wrong scene. This is almost literally in the blade runner sequel.

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                      • K [email protected]

                        I'll send over my butler to let her know we're no longer a thing. /s

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                        thank you, Batman

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                        • E [email protected]

                          I actually like using em dashes because it's the correct thing to do. Also the Oxford comma, correct use of semi colon, and listing things in threes.

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                          And the correct use of: the colon!

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                          • R [email protected]

                            Another take:

                            She feels bad about it, wrote a incoherant babbling mess of run-on sentences and incoherant rants about your relationship, she then re-read it and found it to be disproportionately mean and possibly hurtful, She then shoved it all into an LLM and prompted:

                            I'm breaking up with my boyfriend. This is all my natural heartfelt take on the situation <inserts text>, but I find the tone to be callous, angry, and hurtful. Can you please reword this to make the reader feel less attacked, possibly up to and including removing grievances, but at the same time making it clear that this decision is final and that I'd like to part ways amicably, and also that he's not getting his dog back.

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                            Top comment is about how to get a machine to word something raw and emotional that should have been done in person. Nobody wants to get broken up with, let alone with a script written by a robot. Your take is off putting.

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                            • T [email protected]

                              "No conclusion whatsoever" is basically the scientific consensus on whether Dvorak has any effect on efficiency or typing speed. It's hard to get good data because it's hard to isolate other factors and a lot of the studies on it are full of bias or have really small sample sizes (or both).

                              To anyone thinking of learning Dvorak, my advice is don't. It takes ages to get good at, isn't THAT much better and causes a lot of little annoyances when random programs decide to ignore your layout settings or you sit down at someone else's computer and start touch typing in the wrong layout from muscle memory or games tell you to press "E" when they mean "." or they do say "." but it's so small that you don't know if it's a dot or a comma and then you hit the wrong one and your guy runs forward and you die...

                              That said, I'm also a Dvorak user and it is very comfortable and satisfying and better than qwerty. Just not enough to be worth all the pain of switching.

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                              It takes ages to get good at

                              It took me about one week to reach a basic competency, two weeks before I was equal in both (though this was partly because my QWERTY speed had also fallen), one month before I reached my pre-Dvorak average speed, and I capped out at about 30% faster in Dvorak than I was in QWERTY.

                              (Note: my methodology in testing this was very imperfect. It relied on typing the same passage on each keyboard layout, once per day, changing the passage each week to avoid too much muscle memory. Certainly not scientific, but relatively useful as a demonstrative.)

                              In a broader sense, my average comfortable typing speed in QWERTY was about 60–70. When speed-typing, I could push that up to 80. And the top speed I would hit in typing games was about 100–105. In Dvorak, those numbers shifted to 80, 100, and 120.

                              Granted, the comment above (or it might have been one of the very few good points in the article linked from that comment, I forget) made mention of the fact that some of the benefit is not in the keyboard layout itself but in the act of re-learning as an adult. I strongly agree with this. A secondary part that is loosely related to this in practice (though not at all in theory) is that by learning Dvorak you are not just "re-learning as an adult", but you are forced to learn proper typing technique. Hunt and peck obviously doesn't work when looking at your fingers shows you the wrong letters because the keyboard hardware is labelled according to QWERTY. Even a sort of situation where you are mostly touch typing, but imperfectly with the need to glance down occasionally, even if just for reassurance (which is where I was at with QWERTY) does not work with Dvorak. You become—you must become—a fluent typist. This may not be theoretically an advantage inherent to Dvorak, but for so long as the rest of the world is using QWERTY, it certainly is, as a matter of fact, an advantage. And for that reason, even if no other, I do strongly recommend anyone even vaguely considering it to switch.

                              causes a lot of little annoyances when random programs decide to ignore your layout settings

                              Not a problem I've encountered very often.

                              or you sit down at someone else’s computer and start touch typing in the wrong layout from muscle memory

                              This does happen. But personally I have found that my QWERTY speed is still faster than most people's, even if it's now a lot slower than either my Dvorak speed or what my QWERTY speed used to be. It takes maybe 10 seconds to adjust mentally. And if it's a computer you're going to be using regularly, just add Dvorak to it—it's a simple keyboard shortcut to switch back and forth.

                              or games tell you to press “E” when they mean “.”

                              Games are one of the most frustrating, in part because of the inconsistency. The three different ways that different games handle it. My favourite are the ones that just translate back into QWERTY for you. That listen for the physical key press, then display on screen an instruction that assumes QWERTY. My second favourite tends to be in older games only, and it's where it listens for the character you typed; on these it's as easy as just quickly switching back to QWERTY while playing that game. The worst, but still very manageable are where they listen for the physical key press and display the correct letter for that key according to Dvorak. But you quickly learn to associate a key with muscle memory, so it's not really an issue in practice.


                              Anyway, all of this is wildly off topic. Because my original comment was memeing. Nobody was meant to take it seriously. It was, as the kids say, for the lulz.

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                              • rmuk@feddit.ukR [email protected]

                                Indeed—your assertion is entirely accurate—the mere presence of em dashes within a text does not—in and of itself—serve as definitive proof of artificial intelligence authorship. This grammatical construct—a versatile and often elegant punctuation mark—can be employed by any writer—human or machine—to achieve various stylistic and semantic effects. Its utility—whether for emphasis—for setting off parenthetical thoughts—or for indicating a sudden break in thought—is undeniable.

                                However—it is also true that—when analyzing patterns across vast datasets—certain stylistic tendencies can emerge. An AI—programmed to process and generate language based on extensive training corpora—might—through statistical correlation and optimization—exhibit a propensity for specific linguistic features. This isn't—to be clear—a conscious choice by the AI—there's no inherent preference for em dashes encoded within its fundamental algorithms. Rather—it's a reflection of the patterns it has learned—the statistical likelihood of certain elements appearing together.

                                So—while an em dash does not independently declare "I am AI"—its consistent and perhaps slightly overzealous deployment—alongside other less tangible but equally discernible patterns—might—for a discerning observer—suggest an origin beyond human hands. It's about the entire tapestry—not just a single thread. It's about the aggregate—the cumulative effect—the subtle statistical fingerprint. And that—I believe—is a distinction worth making.

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                                ...that's just a shatner filter...

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                                • G [email protected]

                                  Top comment is about how to get a machine to word something raw and emotional that should have been done in person. Nobody wants to get broken up with, let alone with a script written by a robot. Your take is off putting.

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                                  Yet we're perfectly cool with a card from a department store claiming Happy anniversary to my beautiful wife and I'm so glad that you're such a good mother to our kids.

                                  Anyone that has a take that is not shoving a red hot poker up AI's ass gets down voted.

                                  I'm not here for the upvotes. Carry on. And please don't take it personally, I do hope you have a solid day.

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                                  • O [email protected]

                                    Wrong scene. This is almost literally in the blade runner sequel.

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                                    Genuine question, is the sequel any good?

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                                      Genuine question, is the sequel any good?

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                                      So good. Bleak as fuck, but good, and good in a lot of the same ways.

                                      As an example, watch the whole movie, then rewatch and pay attention to that sex scene-it's so literarily good.

                                      Edit: about the sex scene? Really? Where the protagonist

                                      ::: spoiler Tap for so much spoiler
                                      After being retired from the police (and having his termination delayed by a day as a personal favor from his 'obviously more of a machine than the replicant protagonist' boss) he hires a sex worker to fuck while his hologram girlfriend projects herself over.

                                      Except the sex worker is working for the replicant underground/resistance. She wants to use him (is there to plant a bug) and does not give a single shit about him as a person. The plastic mass produced girlfriend-product/alexa that he literally bought is projected glitchily over her, and the dialogue is portentous as fuck "quiet now. Ive been inside you. Not so much there as you think."

                                      It's him symbolically heartbreakingly-bleakly fucking his way from the synthetic world-which doesnt care about him but will lie to him for a price and allow him to play house-to the real world, which doesnt give a single fucking shit about him, and may try to kill him, but would be real, if he stopped projecting his delusions onto it. And it hapoens just as he's defying his corporate masters and taking his investigation in directions he's not supposed to, becoming his own, and doing so based on a delusionally hopeful interpretation of some evidence-the fake projected onto the real, pulling him into reality. It's up there with 'tears in rain'.

                                      Edit: Also really good illustrated example of why you shouldn't call LLM's 'AI', even if that wasn't a problem when this was made-the protagonist, the sex worker, and the hologram were all made by the same company, but the first two are obviously people, and the hologram is just an emotional support chatbot that only even kind of means anything when the entire rest of your life is just as fake-ass bullshit as it.
                                      :::

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                                      • Z [email protected]

                                        Genuine question, is the sequel any good?

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                                        Yes, amazing.

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                                        • R [email protected]

                                          Another take:

                                          She feels bad about it, wrote a incoherant babbling mess of run-on sentences and incoherant rants about your relationship, she then re-read it and found it to be disproportionately mean and possibly hurtful, She then shoved it all into an LLM and prompted:

                                          I'm breaking up with my boyfriend. This is all my natural heartfelt take on the situation <inserts text>, but I find the tone to be callous, angry, and hurtful. Can you please reword this to make the reader feel less attacked, possibly up to and including removing grievances, but at the same time making it clear that this decision is final and that I'd like to part ways amicably, and also that he's not getting his dog back.

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                                          She wants it reworded to be less hurtful but she's keeping 'his' dog?

                                          She'd better start mentioning he kicked it or she just painted herself as... Well, not the worst but, like, really low... Ain't no 'amicable' if you're kidnapping the dog.

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