How can we make the Fediverse more positive and wholesome?
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Stop posting world news (unless it’s specifically wholesome news).
From a reader perspective, filter out everything news related (or subscribe to everything you want to see and only browse by subscribed).
When you create a piefed account it asks if you want to filter the "Trump & Musk" keywords by default, that’s pretty cool.
There needs to be a way to tag news posts across instances.
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Bingo.
Each of us doing these things is the key.
That's what I'm talking about!
It's a few comments more positive in here already.
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Hahaha, right.
As if being rich is why we're all assholes at one time or another.
Its the way of humanity, all of us have a different experience, all of us are struggling in our own ways (though most of it is a common experience).
If I had indigestion right now, my response may have been more snarly, but I don't, so this is what you get. Wait ten minutes, and I could be the ass in this conversation.
Are you claiming better living standards for everyone wouldn't reduce people's aggression, apathy, or lack of energy? I'm just trying to understand what your point is, because it seems immature putting it kindly.
People having money for good education, good healthcare, good public transit, time for community building, for hobbies, for art logically, obviously, and experimentally reduce trauma - crime - sadness. I mean you name it, money helps people in every statistic (up to a point). That seems fuckin obvious and not worth debating if someone disagreed.
All I did was append the notion that right now most people are losing purchasing power, losing quality of living, compared to just a few generations ago, because of wealth inequality. It's why we can't buy houses, it's why there's so much debt, it's why we can't seem to make effective change at the rate at which it's needed. Tax the rich out of existence such that money remains in the hands of the working class and we'd all start to see improvements along every metric we care about.
If Lemmy seems negative, it's because the world is in a negative zeitgeist right now due to the negative happenings. If one would want to make Lemmy positive, just like every where else in their life, they would need to address the root cause which I'm suggesting is wealth inequality.
I also further express that artificially creating a positive space on a site who's purpose is Link aggregation seems less useful to me than one that keeps me informed about the various topics I like - including the positive and negative.
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For replying: Give others the benefit of the doubt. If you're not sure, ask clarifying questions instead of assuming things and attacking first.
I see too many people fall for this basic thing.
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I'd say worse, because it's delusional.
I'd say it's not as bad because it comes from (I think) a genuinely well meaning place, but it is definitely destructive, both just on its own and because it will produce a Streisand effect from the people it pisses off and cause them to devolve into full time trolls when they might not otherwise
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I mean. Its pretty great compared to the rest of the internet.
Yeah, always room for improvement, but from my limited perspective this site does pretty well
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Please post more wholesome content
I tried some magic mushrooms the other day, has ab absolute horrible trip and decided to just watch something wholesome and funny.
I went to Lemmy
That did not go over well, all my content was cynical, sad, sarcastic... It made me feel even worse. I went on to try and watch some simply laugh Comedy, couldn't find friends anywhere, tried to find it on YouTube, big mistake.... Long story short, it was the longest night of my life and I'll bever ever try that shit again but for heavens sake, please try posting more actual positive and or funny content!
Any subs anyone could recommend for that?
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My take is that the fediverse is wholesome. Today's news isn't but that is our current reality and the topics on a social network will always cover current events.
But when you really pay attention to the people here, they are wholesome. And if what you see is a lot of terrible people in your feed, start watching the instances they are coming from. Frequently the difference between a good and bad experience here is how well you curate your feed and how well your instance is moderated.
wrote last edited by [email protected]Yup agreed. Compare the comments on most of Lemmy to YouTube or Twitter or the like, which very frequently quickly devolve into hate filled cesspools. It can happen here, but it happens far less frequently. But yeah, check instances, block toxic people so you won’t even be tempted to engage with them in the future, etc
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Change the sorting algorithms?
I’m not sure of the details, but the default “Hot” algorithm for Lemmy surfaces ragebait from popular subs first, while Scaled or New Comments are way more wholesome.
This should be an ongoing experiment, but I think “Hot” or whatever is default should boost quiet communities more.
"scaled" and "Top - 6 Hours" are pretty decent at surfacing meaningful .... well, maybe not conversation but engagement at least.
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Sharing nice posts and personal experiences. We can discuss news pieces all day long under anonymous accounts with no need to really communicate with each other, just competing for a best take in the comment section, and it's something else entirely to discuss some OC with a person who shared it. Fedi is small and tight, so acting like we are a small community and not the Frontpage of the Internets may be beneficial to our existence there, leading to less toxic behavior and more quality interactions.
Ask youself, where have you seen the best comments and interactions? I've seen them when either post is OC, or if a person under a random post gives their expertise in something. While we can't predict the latter (if there's a Boing malfunction and there's a guy who worked with them who can go into details), we can encourage OC posters to do their thing and find if we ourselves can join them.
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"scaled" and "Top - 6 Hours" are pretty decent at surfacing meaningful .... well, maybe not conversation but engagement at least.
Top 6 hours is very light on niche communities. Sometimes they're in top hour, but its still mostly the big few.
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My biggest issue with the fediverse and all alt social media in general is due to the current social climate and censorship on mainstream SM platforms, every alt platform is inundated with politics. Politics is very hot button, it breeds negative interactions and very often is worded in such a way that its very ragebait-y in order to increase engagement. I have this issue with Bluesky as well, even after blocking bad actors and bad communities, and muting keywords I still find myself overwhelmed with political content and I find it difficult to not engage even if I support the causes.
When I consume media that is not politically related, I find people are very positive and easy to connect with, the problem is that type of content is few and far between.
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I've noticed that people seem to agree with the person they "think" is winning the argument and turns it into a game of butting heads, when I don't think that is how social media should be treated anyways.
The whole point is people don't know what you do and these spaces are supposed to be for coming together and communicating in a digital space instead of a physical space and then you share. But because it's all practically to an audience people treat the conversation like a gladiator combat where someone needs to speak more confidently and belittle the other as to show their strength and get the upvotes. Or their humor to show they don't care and are more funny than the other. It's so competitive.
Honestly the best interactions come from the people who don't use the platform as much and just talk like a person asking what other people think and responding reasonably. No assumptions of using the platform as a stage, no attempts to "win", shouldn't even be thinking you will get the other person to agree with you just that you both leave with more than what you came in with.
And that needs to be especially true for the fact that new younger people will come in and having no expectations of what they should already know or be but welcoming them in anyways is how it will have to continue. -
Please post more wholesome content
I tried some magic mushrooms the other day, has ab absolute horrible trip and decided to just watch something wholesome and funny.
I went to Lemmy
That did not go over well, all my content was cynical, sad, sarcastic... It made me feel even worse. I went on to try and watch some simply laugh Comedy, couldn't find friends anywhere, tried to find it on YouTube, big mistake.... Long story short, it was the longest night of my life and I'll bever ever try that shit again but for heavens sake, please try posting more actual positive and or funny content!
Any subs anyone could recommend for that?
If you want something great for being funny wholesome and weird while tripping I can't recommend a sub but I always really like this Jacob Wysocki video and just sketch comedy channels like Door Monster and Chris and Jack, etc...
Otherwise on here I like the comic communities. They have been pretty good.
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Tax the rich out of existence and watch how the quality of life goes up everywhere and everything starts being good again.
Idk, I think the fediverse is sufficiently positive. I also think society is going through a wealth inequality period common with most of history, and we're either going to correct it or continue to suffer on a global scale. I don't think I want to be a part of any aggregation site that isn't tuned into the real world.
There seems to be this concept that humans do their best when under pressure and I really think that is wrong, heck science literally agrees with me and so does history.
When people are uncomfortable and struggling they really just suck. Short fuse, anxiety, and uncreative. But during extremely peaceful and well funded times people prosper and contribute better. Look at how much we got out of the post world war 2 era of just funding and building more that gave us new genres of music and art and it's from free time and comfort that people can get creative. Humans love to be lazy but get bored quick. It's the center of all our innovation.
So, I agree that a better world would give us better everything but not really actionable advice for the moment in here though right?
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There seems to be this concept that humans do their best when under pressure and I really think that is wrong, heck science literally agrees with me and so does history.
When people are uncomfortable and struggling they really just suck. Short fuse, anxiety, and uncreative. But during extremely peaceful and well funded times people prosper and contribute better. Look at how much we got out of the post world war 2 era of just funding and building more that gave us new genres of music and art and it's from free time and comfort that people can get creative. Humans love to be lazy but get bored quick. It's the center of all our innovation.
So, I agree that a better world would give us better everything but not really actionable advice for the moment in here though right?
I mean, I don't know what actionable advice looks like if I'm being honest. I haven't exactly connected the dots between wanting something political and achieving something political.
So I'd say that starting with raising awareness about root causes, building a community with an expectation of that awareness, and then manifesting meaningful action when an opportunity presents itself is likely as actionable as I can get. I think the benefit of doing this here on Lemmy is that it will make things more positive. We don't have to have childish comments defending the rich and make the space more negative if we have a robust resource that explains the position. Maybe it's short sighted of me, but a chunk of the negative articles and daily happenings can be chalked up to "rich people attempt distraction by talking about thing that doesn't effect you or matter really much at all". I think a community that posted those with a consistent title of "DISTRACTION - (news of the day)" would go a long way in allowing actual news to elevate itself. Because this is a root issue to a global problem, I think this awareness could effect nearly every community on Lemmy so why not talk about this more, educate yourself and your peers, and the more people who are up to speed the less time you have to spend talking about it and the more likely it gets fixed.
Idk, it's not exactly "do X and get Y more positive posts" but it's the kind of advice I think leads some percentage of people to start a union and then get parental leave and overtime protection. Like it's not exactly sexy work, and it's slow and not fun, but it's the best I've got. I need to educate myself more on how to make actual political change in my local area (let alone online).
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My biggest issue with the fediverse and all alt social media in general is due to the current social climate and censorship on mainstream SM platforms, every alt platform is inundated with politics. Politics is very hot button, it breeds negative interactions and very often is worded in such a way that its very ragebait-y in order to increase engagement. I have this issue with Bluesky as well, even after blocking bad actors and bad communities, and muting keywords I still find myself overwhelmed with political content and I find it difficult to not engage even if I support the causes.
When I consume media that is not politically related, I find people are very positive and easy to connect with, the problem is that type of content is few and far between.
it's cool though because the fediverse has no incentives to increase engagement which means our ragebait is all organic and free of the profit motive!
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I mean, I don't know what actionable advice looks like if I'm being honest. I haven't exactly connected the dots between wanting something political and achieving something political.
So I'd say that starting with raising awareness about root causes, building a community with an expectation of that awareness, and then manifesting meaningful action when an opportunity presents itself is likely as actionable as I can get. I think the benefit of doing this here on Lemmy is that it will make things more positive. We don't have to have childish comments defending the rich and make the space more negative if we have a robust resource that explains the position. Maybe it's short sighted of me, but a chunk of the negative articles and daily happenings can be chalked up to "rich people attempt distraction by talking about thing that doesn't effect you or matter really much at all". I think a community that posted those with a consistent title of "DISTRACTION - (news of the day)" would go a long way in allowing actual news to elevate itself. Because this is a root issue to a global problem, I think this awareness could effect nearly every community on Lemmy so why not talk about this more, educate yourself and your peers, and the more people who are up to speed the less time you have to spend talking about it and the more likely it gets fixed.
Idk, it's not exactly "do X and get Y more positive posts" but it's the kind of advice I think leads some percentage of people to start a union and then get parental leave and overtime protection. Like it's not exactly sexy work, and it's slow and not fun, but it's the best I've got. I need to educate myself more on how to make actual political change in my local area (let alone online).
Yeah it's fine to not have the answers. Honestly I don't think there are any just actions you can take and consequences to figure out after.
I do agree we could probably do more to separate distracting news from useful news since there is a lot of it. And I think that's a pretty interesting suggestion. And I think that kind of creative consideration is exactly what we need to make actions that we think might work, since it's smaller than the huge goal all at once.
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I'll go for the technical side: having a distributed accounts manager so you only need one account to use every aspect of the Fediverse.
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I'll go for the technical side: having a distributed accounts manager so you only need one account to use every aspect of the Fediverse.
I thought that was part of the package when I made a lemmy account. Man was I disappointed.
