Anon breaks up
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"She's probably right." "Dude was probably violent." "Easier to give up your guns than fight this in court" "Just give up your guns!"
Lmao wowww lemmy. Nobody here likes due process?
Lot of US leftists and liberals hate guns, as a reaction to the right’s obsession with them.
It is a stupid and dangerous reaction, because they give up their means of self-defense against far right militias and a fascist government.
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Tim shouldn't be allowed guns either.
Tim ain't gonna give up his guns without violence. Good luck with your proposal now.
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The comments here are a good example of how the gun control movement is the left-wing counterpart to the pro-life movement. It's origin lies in emotion, not reason. It's filled with fallacious arguements and when that fails to convince someone, the movement tends to move towards snarky comments and outright hostility.
Evem those that are trying to be reasonable by drawing conclusions based on data almost always are using cherry-picked statistics that was fed by those trying to manipulate them.
wrote last edited by [email protected]It's very amusing to read such things from outside the American hellscape. Well, "amusing."
Let's say eventually there comes a government overreach that a popular armed uprising puts down. Every day until that day, children die. Accidental death from firearms is one of the leading causes of death of children in your country. (Do you feel that pricking sensation in your neck and face or are you immune to shame?) If the rebellion doesn't come soon enough (or at all) then you are underwater in terms of dead children. So, how long is that runway? How long do you get to keep killing children until you have to admit, fuck, this is costing us more than it's worth?
HAVE YOU EVEN DONE THE MATH, or are you just working from feelings?
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Gun ownership =/= fascism
Agreed. But Americans love both right now
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FYI, women are just as capable of being terrible people as men are
wrote last edited by [email protected]There is a definite bias. Especially, ESPECIALLY when it comes to partner violence. And EVEN MORE ESPECIALLY when it comes to gun violence.
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Lot of US leftists and liberals hate guns, as a reaction to the right’s obsession with them.
It is a stupid and dangerous reaction, because they give up their means of self-defense against far right militias and a fascist government.
wrote last edited by [email protected]You're spot on. I lean HARD left myself and still I'm actively advocating all my friends go out and purchase a firearm while they can. Not for some far fetched rebellion against tyranny, but simply to protect themselves from getting hate-crimed by the scum who will inevitably feel they've been given permission to do so by this regime. Furthermore if they do start deporting citizens for undesirable political behavior, I know I'd rather be six feet under than in CECOT or South Sudan.
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Can afford a bunch of guns and ammo, but can't afford a lawyer to defend yourself in court?
Strange priorities
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FYI, women are just as capable of being terrible people as men are
Sure, but it isn't their side we read.
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So you think your 9mm is going to defend you from a government tank when it actually comes down to violence? You're fucked, gun or no gun.
wrote last edited by [email protected]Tanks need parts, tanks need fuel, tanks need ammo, tanks need constant maintenance. I'm not advocating for violence but the truth is an Abrams might have machine guns and ERA, but a factory doesn't. And look how drone warfare has changed the game, small groups of people can take on tanks, supply lines or factories without even being in line of sight
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Right? I'm sure the BF is a very well adjusted person that just happens to post on 4chan
I mean more often than not, when a woman accuses a man of doing horrible things and the man denies it, the woman is right
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Tim ain't gonna give up his guns without violence. Good luck with your proposal now.
Then Tim is probably going to get himself killed in a standoff with the police.
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You're forgetting that the US lost 3 wars to guerilla tactics, 2 of those in the last decade
Guerilla tactics in foreign countries on the other side of the planet, where they needed to overcome giant logistics problems.
Fighting on their own territory where they already have all their bases and equipment is not going to end the same way.
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Tim ain't gonna give up his guns without violence. Good luck with your proposal now.
If we treated every criminal like that, the world would overflow with murderers and violent thugs even more than it already does.
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Tanks need parts, tanks need fuel, tanks need ammo, tanks need constant maintenance. I'm not advocating for violence but the truth is an Abrams might have machine guns and ERA, but a factory doesn't. And look how drone warfare has changed the game, small groups of people can take on tanks, supply lines or factories without even being in line of sight
You don't need to be in line of sight, your family needs to be. Are you still going to risk it if you know that the government will throw your family into a concentration camp in response?
Assume that the fascists in this fight have zero respect for human rights or human lives. Because they've already proven that they don't.
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FYI, women are just as capable of being terrible people as men are
My understanding is there is not a single state with red flag laws that allow all weapons to be seized based on one person's word. Well other than a doctor giving a professional diagnosis.
For everyone else you have to have some evidence. Either multiple people witnessing threats/harassment video, or text based evidence.
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_flag_law
Despite being blatantly unconstitutional (deprives a citizen of rights based on an accusation without trial) red flag laws exist in 21 states.
In this particular thread, 4chan is a better source of information than Lemmy.
wrote last edited by [email protected]If you look at the numbers in your own post these laws are used very rarely, and in every state a fraction of petitions applied for are granted.
There needs to be actual evidence greater than "ex girlfriend said so" for a court to grant the request.
Ironically by the numbers Florida seems to be the state most likely to use the law. Granting a total of 2,355 in 2020. California on the other hand has issued only 984. These are the 3rd and 1st most populous states respectively.
Given how many people go through breakups each year and how many people are insanely petty, seems like it's not just based on a disgruntled ex's word.
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Gandhi was a piece of shit. I wouldn't quote him for the most part.
Hmm whom to believe, MLK or some random lemming?
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I have no weapon but nonviolence.
- Mahatma Gandhi
See, I can quote things too
OW SHIT! GODDAMNIT! god fucking damnit! Piece of shit!.... Fuck!
-my neighbor the other day
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Can afford a bunch of guns and ammo, but can't afford a lawyer to defend yourself in court?
Strange priorities
I mean you can buy a gun for 200 USD at Walmart. Lawyers cost 200 USD per hour.
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There is a definite bias. Especially, ESPECIALLY when it comes to partner violence. And EVEN MORE ESPECIALLY when it comes to gun violence.
This reads like anti red flag law propaganda anyway. Fake and incel recruitment.
