"ok, imagine a gun."
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Yes, thats part of the why but it's still odd culturally from the perspective of the rest of the world especially since what you're describing occurred 100+ years ago and the terminology has likely only persisted because of the US' gun obsession.
only persisted because
That is a wild stretch of imagination. Loads of things we say, across all countries and languages, persist for centuries after losing their original meanings.
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only persisted because
That is a wild stretch of imagination. Loads of things we say, across all countries and languages, persist for centuries after losing their original meanings.
Sure but in this case there are numerous gun related phrases that have persisted in American culture because of this particular affinity.
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NL here. "Shotgun" is a concept, though mostly through Pop Culture Osmosis.
hi northernlion i love your videos
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The apocryphal story is actually kind of interesting.
Roads and right of way established during the pre-firearm era were that you'd ride on the left, with people going the opposite way on your right. This was so you could use your dominant hand (usually your right) to use a sword to defend yourself.
Roads after firearms were available often established right of way with riding on the right, with oncoming traffic on the left. This is because when you shoulder a firearm on your right shoulder it's easier to aim left.
Stagecoach drivers would sit in the left seat, with the extra person sitting on the right, holding a shotgun, hence the colloquial term for the front passenger seat.
I have no idea how true this is, but it makes for an interesting story.
In Europe it was because of Napoleon. In the US is was because of how wagons were made, according to this article:
https://www.cnn.com/2024/03/02/business/why-americans-drive-on-the-right-and-the-british-on-the-left
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No, no, no, this is all wrong. When we discuss immigration and the current situation in the US all Americans are European immigrants.
When we talk about the genocide of the natives Americans, it was done by Americans, Europeans had nothing to do with it.
Technically 85% correct now, after brexit
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In Australia: yes and it's commonplace. But like 70% of our media is American so unsurprising.
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Now I'd like to know why in France it's la place du Mort, the seat of the dead...
Because they didn't have a shotgun.
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Tell that to my .22 Ramset.
Ramsets use .22 blanks, not bullets, and would have the same issues being used as a pistol at range as any other powered hammer. Even if you override the safety, and either modify or practice with it enough to be reasonably accurate, you're just not going to do much damage if you're more than an arm's length or two away.
Nails have terrible ballistic performance, and there's nothing in a nailer meant to keep the nail going straight for more than 10cm or so. A nail launched into air (rather than a hard surface) from a nailer would start to tumble almost immediately.
You'd literally be more effective throwing the nailer at an attacker than trying to shoot them with it.
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That is purely an American thing.
Not saying my family had someone in the passenger seat with a shotgun to protect their batch of white lightning...also not saying they didn't.
wrote last edited by [email protected]Nope. Canada had stagecoach and shotguns too. So did Mexico. The Sundance Kid owned a bar in Calgary at one point, and worked out at the Bar U ranch near Calgary before that.
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Ramsets use .22 blanks, not bullets, and would have the same issues being used as a pistol at range as any other powered hammer. Even if you override the safety, and either modify or practice with it enough to be reasonably accurate, you're just not going to do much damage if you're more than an arm's length or two away.
Nails have terrible ballistic performance, and there's nothing in a nailer meant to keep the nail going straight for more than 10cm or so. A nail launched into air (rather than a hard surface) from a nailer would start to tumble almost immediately.
You'd literally be more effective throwing the nailer at an attacker than trying to shoot them with it.
Pssst, the "bullet" is called a "nail" in a "nail gun."
37mms and 40mms also use a .38 blank (or a shotgun primer, depending) to launch, that not "gun" enough for you either just because the propellant and projectile are independent? What about flintlock?
And who says "gun" needs sub-MOA accuracy to be "gun?" The Liberator (both the George Hyde FP-45 produced by the OSS and the Cody Wilson 3d printed one) is notoriously inaccurate, meant to be basically pressed into a nazi back and fired to steal their firearm (or to simply exist as a working proof of concept for Cody's, really). Both still very "gun."
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An American thing? Do people in other countries drive and hold the shotgun too?
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Ça dépend peut-être de la région.
Chocolatine pain au chocolat hein ^^
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Pssst, the "bullet" is called a "nail" in a "nail gun."
37mms and 40mms also use a .38 blank (or a shotgun primer, depending) to launch, that not "gun" enough for you either just because the propellant and projectile are independent? What about flintlock?
And who says "gun" needs sub-MOA accuracy to be "gun?" The Liberator (both the George Hyde FP-45 produced by the OSS and the Cody Wilson 3d printed one) is notoriously inaccurate, meant to be basically pressed into a nazi back and fired to steal their firearm (or to simply exist as a working proof of concept for Cody's, really). Both still very "gun."
I took the time to watch some videos of people testing this.
- A pneumatic roofing nailer couldn't stick a nail into the board from even 2-3cm away.
- A pneumatic framing nailer couldn't stick a nail into a pine board from 5m; the nails all tumbled badly past about 15cm.
- This guy then proceeded to weld a freakin' barrel, almost a meter long, onto his framing nailer in hopes of improving accuracy. While it did achieve that goal, he only got about 1cm of penetration from ~3m.
- A PA nailer with green blanks stuck a 1.5" nail into a railroad tie about an inch deep from 2m, and a 2.5" nail about 1cm deep from 3m.
- More interestingly, the above nailer only got about 5cm of penetration in a ballistic gel block with a 1.5" nail and a green blank from 15cm away. A yellow blank from the same distance got about 12cm of penetration.
Aside from all that, we're talking about a tool designed to push a fastener into material while in contact with said material. A gun is a tool designed to push a bullet into a target at a distance with some level of designed-in accuracy. These are not the same thing. A power nailer can certainly be used as a gun, but it can also be used as a step stool, a ruler, or a door stop. Usage outside intended purpose doesn't change the nature of an object.
Hey, if you want to call your PA nailer a nail gun, that's fine. There's no law requiring accuracy in speech, and of the entire power hammer category a PA nailer is probably closest.
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I took the time to watch some videos of people testing this.
- A pneumatic roofing nailer couldn't stick a nail into the board from even 2-3cm away.
- A pneumatic framing nailer couldn't stick a nail into a pine board from 5m; the nails all tumbled badly past about 15cm.
- This guy then proceeded to weld a freakin' barrel, almost a meter long, onto his framing nailer in hopes of improving accuracy. While it did achieve that goal, he only got about 1cm of penetration from ~3m.
- A PA nailer with green blanks stuck a 1.5" nail into a railroad tie about an inch deep from 2m, and a 2.5" nail about 1cm deep from 3m.
- More interestingly, the above nailer only got about 5cm of penetration in a ballistic gel block with a 1.5" nail and a green blank from 15cm away. A yellow blank from the same distance got about 12cm of penetration.
Aside from all that, we're talking about a tool designed to push a fastener into material while in contact with said material. A gun is a tool designed to push a bullet into a target at a distance with some level of designed-in accuracy. These are not the same thing. A power nailer can certainly be used as a gun, but it can also be used as a step stool, a ruler, or a door stop. Usage outside intended purpose doesn't change the nature of an object.
Hey, if you want to call your PA nailer a nail gun, that's fine. There's no law requiring accuracy in speech, and of the entire power hammer category a PA nailer is probably closest.
Pneumatic != Powder Actuated. The former is propelled by air, the latter by smokeless gunpowder.
Besides, your video guy just had skill issues. These guys did fine with just a pneumatic, was your guy using a Ryobi or something lol? While that might not be as bad as a real bullet it doesn't look like the clay pigeon 25yd away had fun.
If you want more penetration, increase the powder load from 2-3ish grains to something appropriate for your "bullet" weight (mind weighing some of those nails in grains for me?) Green and yellow aren't even the strongest, let's see what a purple can do (and also can someone weigh those powder charges for me in grains too?) Hell, let's see what a 5.56 blank can do.
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In Australia: yes and it's commonplace. But like 70% of our media is American so unsurprising.
You're basically americans with going outside instead of corn.
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Not many countries had to arm the person next to the coach driver to fight off natives defending their country against foreign invaders.
This obe didn't either. Staying home was usually an option.
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Huh, who knew that violent bank robbers who indiscriminately kill bystanders would
do a bunch of genocide after their violent takeover complete with secret police and gulagsI mean create the best goverbmont in history, praise USSR or something.Look, stalin did a lot of things wrong, but robbing banks is pretty cool even with collateral damage.
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Look, stalin did a lot of things wrong, but robbing banks is pretty cool even with collateral damage.
wrote last edited by [email protected]Word? Lemme get your bank's address and the times you go, so I can rob it and shoot you in the fucking face in the process, y'know since killing innocent people in bank robberies is "cool" to you it should be pretty sweet for all involved. Put your money (or in this case, life) where your mouth is.
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Word? Lemme get your bank's address and the times you go, so I can rob it and shoot you in the fucking face in the process, y'know since killing innocent people in bank robberies is "cool" to you it should be pretty sweet for all involved. Put your money (or in this case, life) where your mouth is.
wrote last edited by [email protected]money where your mouth is
I'm actually unbanked!
innocent
Totally. Killing innocent people isnt morally sound.
at a bank
So you mean coerced into complicity?
absolutely morally uncomplicated and good to simple binary morality
That is what cool means, yes. Learn to cope with complexity before getting pissy. If you're going to get precious about innocent dead, maybe talk more about cops and oligarchs.
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money where your mouth is
I'm actually unbanked!
innocent
Totally. Killing innocent people isnt morally sound.
at a bank
So you mean coerced into complicity?
absolutely morally uncomplicated and good to simple binary morality
That is what cool means, yes. Learn to cope with complexity before getting pissy. If you're going to get precious about innocent dead, maybe talk more about cops and oligarchs.
Lol I'm not usually one to wish death on people but I hope you get killed for being in the wrong place at the wrong time by someone doing something "cool." You like it so much it just seems like it's wishing you well, even if that means death in your case.
