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Mozilla under fire for Firefox AI "bloat" that blows up CPU and drains battery

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  • moe90@feddit.nlM [email protected]
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    Do you have to enable the feature first? Because I'm on v141 and I don't see this feature. Complaining about a useless and draining feature that you yourself enabled is a special kind of stupid tbh.

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    • moe90@feddit.nlM [email protected]
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      Why does Mozilla think we want AI integrated in your browsers ??

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        It should not be on by default and you should not have to go into about:config to turn it off.

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        It was not enabled by default for me.

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          Isn't the "for-profit" Mozilla Corporation owned by the "non-profit" Mozilla Foundation though?

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          I don't care. It's a corrosive force that causes them to pay for over priced CEO's and integrate services that nobody cares about into Firefox (like pocket) or that runs against their principles (container VPN's exclusive to Mozillas for-profit VPN).

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            All right, but apart from the vertical tabs, better video decoding, support for manifest v2, high quality adblocking, increased performance, and the useful programming language, what has Mozilla ever done for us?

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            The aqueducts?

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            • mika@sopuli.xyzM [email protected]

              TBH despite I don't like this specific idea, nor use Firefox directly, I do like the usage of local inference vs sending your data to thirdparty to do AI.

              They just needed to do it OPT IN, not OPT OUT.

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              It is though.

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              • tywele@lemmy.dbzer0.comT [email protected]

                Do you have to enable the feature first? Because I'm on v141 and I don't see this feature. Complaining about a useless and draining feature that you yourself enabled is a special kind of stupid tbh.

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                Bro, several users have taken to the Firefox subreddit, this is definitely worthy of being the most upvoted post on Lemmy rn

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                • K [email protected]

                  I don't think the centralised approach works either. If you bake that grouping metadata of individual popular pages into Firefox you have an issue with keeping it current if page content changes. And you have a difficult trade-off between covering enough pages vs not blowing up the size too much. And the approach can't work for deep web pages, e.g. anything people can only see when logged in.

                  Ignoring all that: The groupings you could pre-process would be static and determined over some assumed average user behaviour, not an actual cluster of a specific users themes. You take some hardcore Warhammer 40k fan, and all his tabs on minis and painting techniques and rulebooks and fan media, and apply the static grouping then it all goes into "Warhammer". However if you ran it locally it might come up with "Painting" "Figures" "Rules" "Fanart" or whatever. It would produce a more fine grained clustering for someone who is deep into a specific niche interest, and a more coarse grained one otherwise.

                  So I think fundamentally it's correct to cluster locally and dynamically for a usable result. They need to make it opt-in, and efficient enough. Or better yet they could just abandon the idea because it's ultimately not that much use compared to the required inference cost.

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                  The problem with useful suggestions like these is that they can't be used when the MO is to shove AI into everything and anything to seem relevant, and chase the pot of cost savings at the end of the rainbow which is totally gonna turn up any day now, we think, we're pretty sure anyway.

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                    Are you really asking why would the people at the top of an organization choose to overpay themselves?

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                    Sorry boss it's kinda laughable to suggest they choose their own salaries.

                    Obviously it would be negotiated, with a panel overseeing the procurement and hiring process.

                    That panel has no interest in overpaying executives. Obviously they would pay just enough to secure someone with the right network and skills. Just because they earn more than you does not mean they're overpaid.

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                      Bro, several users have taken to the Firefox subreddit, this is definitely worthy of being the most upvoted post on Lemmy rn

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                      Because people seem to have a special hate boner for Firefox on here.

                      And please don't call me bro.

                      Edit: hate not hat

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                      • grapho@lemmy.mlG [email protected]

                        Sure, whereupon the CEO alone can receive an 8 figure compensation package. That is not at all an issue to the viability of a non-profit.

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                        It's not as simple as just deciding to hire people at lower rates of pay.

                        Cost cutting is a tricky game. When an organisation is not on a positive trajectory, cost cutting has a very high risk of re-enforcing the underlying problems.

                        That's not to say cost cutting isn't a worthy objective, but it needs to be carefully considered.

                        If you want a CEO with the right skills and connections you need to pay.

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                          It is though.

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                          then why the fuck is this newsworthy? ugh. Why is there such a huge hateboner for firefox lately?

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                          • jonsjava@lemmy.worldJ [email protected]

                            I only use Firefox. I've only used Firefox since 2000.

                            They, by their own statements, are a 501( C )3, which is a non-profit, not a not-for-profit.

                            Sit down.

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                            You seem to be able to google "mozilla non profit" but unable to elucidate whether it is in fact a non-profit and why that is so.

                            Again, you're offering hand wavy vibe based explanations as to why mozilla is "bad". What exactly is the problem?

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                              You seem to be able to google "mozilla non profit" but unable to elucidate whether it is in fact a non-profit and why that is so.

                              Again, you're offering hand wavy vibe based explanations as to why mozilla is "bad". What exactly is the problem?

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                              I have worked for non-profits.

                              They are completely allowed to make a profit.

                              You are mistakenly under the impression that I'm against Mozilla.

                              If you go back to my original comment, I merely explained what I explained here. Mozilla is a non-profit, not a not-for-profit.

                              You decided to take that as an attack on Mozilla, for some strange reason, and attacked me. I just turned that same energy back on you.

                              Did I ever attack Mozilla? Did you attack me?

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                                then why the fuck is this newsworthy? ugh. Why is there such a huge hateboner for firefox lately?

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                                I really don't get it either.

                                It's not like it's a paid product either.

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                                • moe90@feddit.nlM [email protected]
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                                  Mozilla is no longer about making a great browser. Mozilla is about making sure their Google bucks come in each year without fail.
                                  They don't work for consumers anymore -- they work for Google.

                                  Throughout the years, the market share of Firefox has shank and shank and their C-Suite has continued giving themselves raises.

                                  Mozilla Inc. has been very sick for a long time. It's a shame that one of the last pieces of honest competition for web browsers belongs to them, because I'm not sure how much longer they will be able to shamble on like this.

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                                  • glog78@digitalcourage.socialG [email protected]

                                    @michaelmrose @swordgeek I 100% agree that Mozilla is important but it's also clear that currently their is not enough business to keep Mozilla going. I don't blame them for trying to make a Business , i blame them for not following their former values. You can make a business and still mostly follow values ( look for example to GOG ).
                                    And for what i don't like is the change from opt in to opt out. Every new feature most users don't want and they know this and make it harder and harder to turn off. The last time it was hidden in a sub menu in the settings ( switching off sending data to their ad service ) now it's hidden in config:about.
                                    I guess next time you need 3rd party patches and compile the browser yourself to switch a "feature" off.

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                                    I would argue that it's a bit easier to still follow your values if your business consists of mostly selling games.

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                                      Demon tech

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                                        It's not a new updated it's been that way for years.

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                                        No my s23 has no bixby buttons. Just power and 2 volume. Samsung DELIBERATELY updated so the POWER BUTTON activated their shitty agent. Only software shutdown was avilable until I changed.

                                        Getting a linux phone when this dies. Fuck samsung.

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                                          Like how samsung updated and BLATANTLY made their peice of shit AI button TAKE OVER THR POWER BUTTON

                                          Was that part of OneUI 7? I'm so glad I never installed that downgrade.

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                                          Yes, it was forced on me. I have updates disabled too. Pieces of shit.

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