this is fine
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'96 and up are not 90s kids, that's Gen Z .
You have to actually remember the 90s to qualify as a 90s kid, which basically excludes anyone younger than a Zillenial. If you were born in 1996-1999, you were an infant or very young in the 90s, so your memories of the time period are going to be vague at best. You can't relate to 90s kids.
Hell, smartphones had already replaced iPods by the time anyone born 1996-1999 was in middle school. That ain't no 90s kid lol. 90s kids had a cassette Walkman and dial-up internet when they were in middle school. We were still rocking CD players and flip phones even into high school. Smartphones weren't a thing until college.
ay yo fr fr — people born 1997+ = Gen Z, 1981–1996 = Millennials. facts.
but lowkey memory flex ain’t everything: being a “90s kid” vibe = grew up with 90s culture/trends during your formative years, so someone born 1996 might catch some 90s vibes while a 1999 baby probs won’t remember squat.
still, calling 1996–1999 “not 90s kids” is kinda cap if you mean strict generational cutoffs — 1996 is widely used as the millennial cutoff (Pew et al.). so both takes hit different lanes: one’s about birth-year labels, one’s about lived memories.
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Isnt a 90s kid someone who grew up in the 90s not born in them? I was born in 84 and i consider myself a 90s kid and I’m certainly not 30
There's no rules. Millennials are called that because they hit adulthood around 1999-2001ish. So all children in the 90s.
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How are your fourties???
It’s alright for the most part. I’ve worked in the mining industry for 20 years now and I slowly paying the price. I have a bad back and I’m slowly losing my hearing. And yes I did take all the precautions to prevent this I think it’s just long term effects of the job. Beyond that it’s ok being 42. I have been trying to take better care of myself since Covid I have been eating better and I do morning stretches and light weight lifting. I wish i would have started doing more when I was younger.
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Easier to just co-op your terms and make them global. Not like English speakers can complain about that
wrote on last edited by [email protected]Easier yes, but also more confusing, causing terms to lose specificity and accuracy.
I am the kind of person that complains every time I see people incorrectly using any term adopted from another language, culture, academic field, whatever.
So... yes, I can and do complain about things lile that.
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To pick a random example: Almost no one uses the term 'black swan event' properly.
Its from Nassim Taleb, meant to describe... a kind of risk of an event that would have been impossible to predict, due to said risk being completely unprecedented, outside of the possibility of conceiving.
But, most people just use 'black swan event' to mean... a thing that is fairly uncommon, but certainly has been studied, has a precedent, has known situations in which it arises.
Thats not a black swan event. Thats a predictable but uncommon event, not a wholly unprecedented and totally unpredictable event.
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The 9/11 attacks were significant here in Australia. It was all over the news for ages and also directly led to other major changes such as a real stepping up of our airport security measures, a swathe of legislation in the name of anti terrorism, and us getting dragged into the war in Afghanistan.
Fuck Rupert Murdoch
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The term Millenial orginally and specifically, academically and etymylogically in general usage... refers to generational cohorts of USAmericans.
As does Baby Boomers. As does Gen X.
You can maybe make an argument than Gen Z / Zoomers and Gen A / Alpha are more globalized, due to the massive proliferation and normalization of digital culture... but they are again still based off of a naming convention schema describing USAmericans.
So yes, I am using a US-centric definition for a US-centric term.
If ya'll want to come up with your own terms, I'm all for it, the US has long had and still does have waaaaayyy too much influence over many aspects of general internet culture, global culture in general, the other economies and societies of the world, etc.
I don't agree with this at all to be honest. I'm French, and the baby boom was very much a thing there. The term might have been coined in the US but the demographics events behind it very much happened in much of Europe post-WW2, and for example my parents referred to themselves as such long before we started having a shared online global culture. As for millennials, I'm pretty sure the entire world changed millennium at the same time, why would only Americans be allowed to use the very obvious term?
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I don't agree with this at all to be honest. I'm French, and the baby boom was very much a thing there. The term might have been coined in the US but the demographics events behind it very much happened in much of Europe post-WW2, and for example my parents referred to themselves as such long before we started having a shared online global culture. As for millennials, I'm pretty sure the entire world changed millennium at the same time, why would only Americans be allowed to use the very obvious term?
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Yep, the baby boom happened in many places... the term 'baby boom' and 'baby boomer' and then 'boomer' are very much US-centric if you look through newspapers, academic publications.
Also... you're telling me your French speaking parents referred to them as 'baby boomers', as in... a loan word, from English, as opposed to something that might more naturally arise from French?
bébé d'expansion?
Granted, I do not speak French, that particular guess may be wildly unrealistic in some way, but I would think that general linguistic and etymylogical concepts apply generally.
https://www.etymonline.com/fr/word/baby boom
Assuming google translate is doing a decent job of translating that to English for me, I am fairly confident this literally says the French term "baby-boom(er)" is a loan term, from English, specifically from the US.
Anyway, I am not saying that people should not be free to use or adapt terms from other languages, that would be stupid and also impossible to enforce, especially stupid coming from an English speaker such as myself, with English essentially being a bastard mutant step child of at least three different languages smashing into each other.
I would be unable to go to the karaoke bar, sing a song about a latent gestalt consciousness, grab a bahn mi to much on, and then further discuss the relative 'lingua franca' status of varying languages of the world, all whilst doing my best to stave off ennui.
What I am saying is that criticizing my US Centric definition of a US Centric term on the grounds that the definition itself is too US Centric... that is stupid.
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Is 'millennial' a commonly used generational cohort word present in many languages right now?
Of course.
However... I would argue my definition still holds.
If you can remember 9/11 happening, generally, you are some kind of a millenial, you would identify as such, you would use that term.
Yep, 9/11 happened to the US.
And it was the biggest news story on the planet at the time.
Governments around the world reached out to the US with formal announcements of sympathy.
Newscasters and print media ran the story for days, weeks, in many countries.
It was a pretty big deal, the world hegemon having its financial center directly attacked.
Markets all the world freaked out, to varying degrees.
And I could casually argue that generally, roughly, though of course not as directly traumatizing to non USAmericans, it was a bigger deal in countries that were culturally/economically connected to the US, and thus inhabitants of those countries were/are more likely to later use a fairly direct equivalent of 'millennial' as a generational cohort term... as a loan word, from our media's intial popularization of the term, to decry our avocado toast habits and whichever stagnant and poorly operated line of shitty franchise restaurants we are apparently responsible for murdering.
Why not use the local language word for 'millenium' as a basis, instead of adopting one from English?
But to further nuance this, I am sure you would point out that the English word millennial is of French origin, and you would be correct.
So sure, this obviously makes more sense as a wholly and truly French word, we English speakers did after all, more or less borrow something like 70% of our vocabulary from French.
But then we can refer back to my actual proposed definition:
I bet you do actually remember 9/11 being on the TV, in the papers, being discussed, to at least degree, if you are a millennial, who speaks French, and was roughly 5 years old or older, in France, when it happened.
If I am wrong about that, please let me know.
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If anything, I'd be more concerned that I still agree with my teenage self. Because that means that either you were a very prescient teen, or that your opinions haven't matured beyond surface-level understanding.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]Indeed, I was never a “typical teen.” I always felt older than I was, and I’ve never fit in well with those my age. I came to most of my current religious and political philosophies in middle school, after I realized the beliefs I was raised in didn’t make sense and I plunged into self-discovery and research.
One of my mottos since that time is “question everything” (which lines up with the decision to pick this username.) Over the years, I’ve met people at various stages of that journey, including some who may never even begin it. I’ve learned, I’ve grown, and yet I’ve found that a lot of the conclusions I came to on topics long ago have only strengthened with more information. I saw fascism in my school admin, and 20+ year later, I know for sure that it was all part of the same big picture we see today. I saw corruption, I saw manipulation, I saw reasons not to trust anyone who expected blind authority. I was told I was “overreacting” by people who couldn’t see what I saw, and it’s hard to reconcile the normally-positive “having been right” with the negative of, well, gestures around.
I am not the same person I was as a teen, even if those core beliefs remain. For example, I’ve come to embrace polyamory, to understand and accept those with drug abuse issues, and have learned a lot about social situations (I may have been quick on figuring out a lot of things, but my social skills perpetually lag behind. Yay autism.)
The key thing that helped across the board was when I decided to refrain from taking sides on any major issues until after I’ve researched it thoroughly. Too many people react impulsively to new ideas, often against them, only to later on embrace them. I saw it in many of the adults that were around me, adults who heard a biased headline and drew wild assumptions based on it. But when the thing ended up actually being beneficial, they never acknowledged their past stance - they just quietly ignored it and acted like being pro-whatever is how they’d been all along. I told myself I never wanted to become such a hypocrite, and the best way I’ve found to avoid it is to take in information and consider all sides of it prior to forming and expressing an opinion on it.
I know that’s not “normal,” though I do wish it was. But yeah, I can understand how “having the same beliefs as teenage-me did” is more likely to be a sign of stagnation. However, self-reflection is practically a daily task in my life. If some of my beliefs haven’t changed since my teenage years, it’s because they’re still solid today.
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Or just lived in third world country where nobody cares about 9/11
Then you would be using a different term than 'Millennial', or you would be using that term... as a loan word, from a culture that was/is deeply influential across the world, and was also massively affected by 9/11.
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1 month 13 days left...
EDIT: And to not make this bland: I pretty much gave up on life, once I realized I won't get anything that a young adult would have. I'm just an expendable meat robot that is not even seen as human. I get blamed for everything that goes wrong, even though I have minimal wiggle room. So, good luck to everyone. AI is about to make just being human not enough.
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::: spoiler I've encapsulated my gigantic response so as to not further blow up the formatting of this thread.
Yep, the baby boom happened in many places... the term 'baby boom' and 'baby boomer' and then 'boomer' are very much US-centric if you look through newspapers, academic publications.
Also... you're telling me your French speaking parents referred to them as 'baby boomers', as in... a loan word, from English, as opposed to something that might more naturally arise from French?
bébé d'expansion?
Granted, I do not speak French, that particular guess may be wildly unrealistic in some way, but I would think that general linguistic and etymylogical concepts apply generally.
https://www.etymonline.com/fr/word/baby boom
Assuming google translate is doing a decent job of translating that to English for me, I am fairly confident this literally says the French term "baby-boom(er)" is a loan term, from English, specifically from the US.
Anyway, I am not saying that people should not be free to use or adapt terms from other languages, that would be stupid and also impossible to enforce, especially stupid coming from an English speaker such as myself, with English essentially being a bastard mutant step child of at least three different languages smashing into each other.
I would be unable to go to the karaoke bar, sing a song about a latent gestalt consciousness, grab a bahn mi to much on, and then further discuss the relative 'lingua franca' status of varying languages of the world, all whilst doing my best to stave off ennui.
What I am saying is that criticizing my US Centric definition of a US Centric term on the grounds that the definition itself is too US Centric... that is stupid.
.........
Is 'millennial' a commonly used generational cohort word present in many languages right now?
Of course.
However... I would argue my definition still holds.
If you can remember 9/11 happening, generally, you are some kind of a millenial, you would identify as such, you would use that term.
Yep, 9/11 happened to the US.
And it was the biggest news story on the planet at the time.
Governments around the world reached out to the US with formal announcements of sympathy.
Newscasters and print media ran the story for days, weeks, in many countries.
It was a pretty big deal, the world hegemon having its financial center directly attacked.
Markets all the world freaked out, to varying degrees.
And I could casually argue that generally, roughly, though of course not as directly traumatizing to non USAmericans, it was a bigger deal in countries that were culturally/economically connected to the US, and thus inhabitants of those countries were/are more likely to later use a fairly direct equivalent of 'millennial' as a generational cohort term... as a loan word, from our media's intial popularization of the term, to decry our avocado toast habits and whichever stagnant and poorly operated line of shitty franchise restaurants we are apparently responsible for murdering.
Why not use the local language word for 'millenium' as a basis, instead of adopting one from English?
But to further nuance this, I am sure you would point out that the English word millennial is of French origin, and you would be correct.
So sure, this obviously makes more sense as a wholly and truly French word, we English speakers did after all, more or less borrow something like 70% of our vocabulary from French.
But then we can refer back to my actual proposed definition:
I bet you do actually remember 9/11 being on the TV, in the papers, being discussed, to at least degree, if you are a millennial, who speaks French, and was roughly 5 years old or older, in France, when it happened.
If I am wrong about that, please let me know.
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wrote on last edited by [email protected]Yes, I fully agree with the point about remembering 9/11 as a millennial, and wasn't commenting about that, I just disagree about the one where you said generational terms are a US-only thing
And yes, we use the English term for baby boom, it's a loan word, just like you say "croissant" (or at least, attempt to, haha).
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Yes, I fully agree with the point about remembering 9/11 as a millennial, and wasn't commenting about that, I just disagree about the one where you said generational terms are a US-only thing
And yes, we use the English term for baby boom, it's a loan word, just like you say "croissant" (or at least, attempt to, haha).
wrote on last edited by [email protected]Hah, my mangled attempt at correct pastry pronounciation is something like:
Kwah-san(t).
I am sure that is a bit butchered by proper French standards though, haha!
Unfortunately, if you try to pronounce loan words properly, by the rules of the language they come from, most Americans (very wrongly imo) consider this to be you acting pretentious.
On that note:
I have spent a good amount of time doing karate and so have spoken with a good dreal of native Japanese speakers...
Karaoke is not carry-oh-kee.
It is kah-rah-oh-ke.
Karate is not kara-tee.
It is kah-rah-tay.
... I frankly have no fucking clue how we managed to fuck up karaoke as bad as we did.
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The knees are fucked. The eyes are getting destroyed. The back is complete mess. The new hairs growing everywhere suck. White hair randomly appear is great, not... What even is health...
At least we are getting close to it ending.
If you're experiencing that amount of physical pain in your 30s, you need to exercise more, my friend.
I had 2 years of inactivity due to an intense workload and my physical health plummeted. Have been going on regular walks and eating better the past two months and I feel like I de-aged from a senior citizen to my actual age.
Also, stretching helps A LOT when it comes to stiffness and soreness. Don't underestimate the wonders of stretching.
You don't have to live in misery like that. Would can work on it, my friend!
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90s kids were born in the 80s and EARLY 90s. You're thinking of 90s babies. They would be 00's kids.
They would be ’00s* kids.
You got it right the first couple of tries
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Then you remember the 90s as a kid, which makes you a 90s kid.
Like the other person said, when you are born has nothing to do with it. Spending the most formative years of your childhood in the 90s is what makes you a 90s kid. Sounds like you did, so you qualify.
This is meaningless gatekeeping imposed by older people on younger people. If you were a child in the 90's you were a 90's kid. The validity of your lived experience doesn't depend on your current ability.
By OP's reasoning people who no longer remember their childhood no longer count as a kid for their decade. Eventually everyone will be dead and then according to the OP no one will have lived either.
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in the ‘90s*
*in the 90's
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*in the 90's
Repeating it doesn’t make it less wrong
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Repeating it doesn’t make it less wrong
Wrong to who? You?
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Repeating it doesn’t make it less wrong
If you're going to be doing this what style guide are you using? Why did you choose that one? Why is it the most useful option? You've made an entire account about enforcing apostrophe usage but don't have any sources or explanation to back it up on your bio.
I thought it would be fun to try 90's since that looks more appealing than '90s. We don't use this ' to cut off preceding symbols in anything other than 'twas which also looks wrong.
Then I thought It was useful that you were doing this because imposing whatever the current most used trend for apostrophes would help facilitate communication between the greatest number of English readers and writers. It would be democratic even.
Then I realized I had no idea what the current most used trend for apostrophes even was and without any sources no way of knowing if your style was anything resembling that. (I like 90s now btw.)
So then I looked up who even made grammar anyway and it turns out a lot of people but a couple individuals stand out.
https://www.wordgenius.com/who-actually-created-all-these-grammar-rules/Xr0yWBPAJQAG8w-n
The First Grammarian
Modern English grammar can be traced back to William Bullokar, a printer from the 16th century. Back in 1586, Bullokar wrote the Pamphlet for Grammar, which we now know as the first English grammar resource. His grammar resource compared English to Latin. He also created a phonetic 40-letter English alphabet, addressing the 40 different phonetic sounds he identified. His goal was to increase literacy in England and make it easier for foreigners to learn the language.
Robert Lowth is one of the more notable grammarians who built upon Bullokar’s work. He wrote A Short Introduction to English Grammar in the late 18th century, and this book formed the groundwork for many other grammarians as they standardized English grammar.
Lowth’s book became known as one of the first examples of prescriptive grammar, or one establishing the rules for how grammar should be used. By contrast, descriptive grammar simply explains how people actually use grammar.
Creating a System
Lowth wasn’t the only one who tried to standardize grammar. Many others preceded him and many more followed. British schoolmistress Ann Fisher was the first published female grammarian and an early user of an all-purpose pronoun. She wrote A New Grammar in 1745, shortly before Lowth’s work came on the scene, and her book was released in 30 editions over 50 years. Fisher’s work was one of the first to detail modern grammar practices, many of which are still in use today.
That all being said, what's the style guide or grammar reference book every English writer on lemmy should refer to?
