Time to bash Americans again
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Gun suicides or suicides in general?
Because suicides will always be an issue. Guns just make it easier. How many mass shootings have the swiss had though? Switzerland has a "List of mass shootings" article on Wikipedia. The US has a "ListS of mass shootings" category. The US list for 2018 alone is significantly longer than Switzerland's list starting with 1905. I realize that Switzerland has a smaller population, but the per capita rates have a large discrepancy too. Something like a 9x difference.
wrote last edited by [email protected]As I said gun suicides.
And guns are a big part of the problem. Science has proven that over and over.
Yes America has other problems. For example not accepting that it is not in a healthy enough mental state to own guns.
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Everyone in Switzerland has a gun and they don't shoot eachother up. American society is fucked up on multiple different levels
Whenever i mention the Swiss having as many guns as the US, if not more, and yet the former has practically zero mass shooting incidents, and pointed out the problem of America is cultural, Americans tend to turn a blind eye to it.
wrote last edited by [email protected]Oops, replied to the wrong comment, lol.
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It's more than just mental healthcare. American society is just broken in so many ways.
Yup. I sometimes travel (or travelled for that matter... I'm not going back to that shit hole) to the US and basically everyone there is living an act. It's so weird and artificial and it all boils down to an "I'm the best and deserve everything, all the others can go fuck themselves" attitude. This is highly toxic and can easily lead to violence. Pair that with how they breathe the most toxic form of capitalism and you have a recipe for the shit show that is the USA. I'm really sorry for all the cool guys over there. There certainly are some fine people, but the majority is completely lost.
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You know what would be weird? A president of USA doing anything that trump's doing...
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I'm not sure yall get the joke. It's funny cause 13- 17 year old angsty males in the us have unlimited access to military grade weapons. These bitch ass losers, I mean kids, then take these arms, designed to take out isis and sudam and murder a bunch of 5 year olds with them. Do you get it now?? It's hilarious !
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This thread is Poe's Law-ing the shit out of me
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As I said gun suicides.
And guns are a big part of the problem. Science has proven that over and over.
Yes America has other problems. For example not accepting that it is not in a healthy enough mental state to own guns.
So suicides in general weren't dramatically affected, only the method differed?
Problem in the US is that the genie is out of the bottle now. Start removing guns by force and the people who are already predisposed to shooting up events, are going to be keeping them AND they'l have affirment for their conspiracy theories so they're even more likely to shoot shit up.
I agree Americans should never have been allowed to buy guns like this, it’s just not a fixable problem right now. Other things need to be fixed first.
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So suicides in general weren't dramatically affected, only the method differed?
Problem in the US is that the genie is out of the bottle now. Start removing guns by force and the people who are already predisposed to shooting up events, are going to be keeping them AND they'l have affirment for their conspiracy theories so they're even more likely to shoot shit up.
I agree Americans should never have been allowed to buy guns like this, it’s just not a fixable problem right now. Other things need to be fixed first.
On that we agree.
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"Expat" is my favourite dog whistle. Because "migrant" is only used for brown people, or other undesirable minorities for racists.
She has "MAGA" in her display name. Why listen for dogwhistles when there's a red alert siren?
BTW I had several teachers that described themselves as expats from the UK or US, and they were alright.
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Emigrant. That's the kind of migrant who leaves a country. They'd be an immigrant in their new country.
But, IMO there's a difference with an expat. An expat is often someone who isn't moving permanently, and as a result is often not trying to integrate into their new country.
From my observation when living in The Netherlands as an immigrant (from Portugal) sometimes working in companies with lots of foreigners, most of us said of ourselves as being "immigrants", except Americans and Brits who often said they were "expats".
Curiously, generally the other people from different nations, including the Dutch, would use immigrant rather than expat when refering to the status of the self-proclaimed "expats" in that country - "expat" was very much their label for themselves.
The Americans and Brits were there in average for just a long as the rest.
I don't think it's really length of stay, at least not directly, I think it's about the immigrant believing or not that their country of origin is a "greater country" than the country they're living in. You can see this for example in places like Spain where British retirees have retired to and live the rest of their lives in their own Little Britain communities calling themselves "expats".
This also matched to how some of the British immigrants most pissed of about their homeland (for example, a gay guy who had to move to The Netherlands to marry his partner, as back then that was not allowed in Britain) made a point of using "immigrant" for themselves instead of "expat".
It's about national delusions of grandeur, IMHO.
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"Expat" is my favourite dog whistle. Because "migrant" is only used for brown people, or other undesirable minorities for racists.
wrote last edited by [email protected]From my own experience as an immigrant in The Netherlands and Britain, "expat" is generally used by Americans and Brits when living abroad and pretty much nobody else no matter what their skin tone. I mean, I've seen on or two Ozzies using it but it's way rarer with them and I suspect they were just copying the Brits and Americans. The New Zeelanders I crossed paths with weren't "expats" and neither were the Canadians. Similarly I never heard any of the other Europeans immigrants there refering to themselves as "expats".
I think "expat" is more a thing of people who thing they come from a "great country", as if somehow it's a priviledge for the other country to have them there.
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From my own experience as an immigrant in The Netherlands and Britain, "expat" is generally used by Americans and Brits when living abroad and pretty much nobody else no matter what their skin tone. I mean, I've seen on or two Ozzies using it but it's way rarer with them and I suspect they were just copying the Brits and Americans. The New Zeelanders I crossed paths with weren't "expats" and neither were the Canadians. Similarly I never heard any of the other Europeans immigrants there refering to themselves as "expats".
I think "expat" is more a thing of people who thing they come from a "great country", as if somehow it's a priviledge for the other country to have them there.
I would have said the two words are different by perspective. An "expat" is talking about where you're from. An "immigrant" is talking about where you are. Also, if you start talking about 2nd generation immigrants, then "expat" can't be used at all, which means it is narrower in scope, too.
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we don't give every single person the money for a ticket to a gun show
Erm, wut?
In America you can bypass gun checks in most checks if you buy your gun from a Gun show.
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This was a troll account. It was a Dutch guy pretending to be MAGA to point out how arrogant Europeans are. He succeed thoroughly
Is it arrogance when you're just correct?
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Is it arrogance when you're just correct?
When its all made up? Yes. Yes it is
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Everyone in Switzerland has a gun and they don't shoot eachother up. American society is fucked up on multiple different levels
Whenever i mention the Swiss having as many guns as the US, if not more, and yet the former has practically zero mass shooting incidents, and pointed out the problem of America is cultural, Americans tend to turn a blind eye to it.
We "tend to turn a blind eye to it" because "cultural problem" is primarily used as a racist dog whistle.
If your intention was to point at the underlying cause, you need to be talking about systematic impoverization, lack of generational wealth, devaluation of labor, etc.
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A lot of this is overblown really. A few things:
- The vast majority of school kids in the US will never deal with an active shooter situation.
- 43% of school shooters in the US are themselves active students
- Only 20% of school shooting perpetrators had no affiliation to the school, meaning that ~37% of shooters were former students, teachers, or parents.
- From 1999 - 2023 there were a total of 131 school shootings, but in 2024 alone there were a reported 332 school shootings.
- These are some terrible numbers, but statistically it's a rare thing. There are approximately 130,000 K-12 schools in the US and ~75 million students per year. If we assume all schools have the same chance of having a school shooting (they don't) they would have a 0.2% chance that your school will have a shooting that year or 4% chance that in your k-12 years that you would be at a school shooting.
When people talk about school security in the US they often don't consider how litigious and risk adverse the US is. You don't lock doors, build fences, and hire security guards to protect from such a small risk chance, if they actually cared there would be a greater emphasis on mental health. No, they do these things to minimize risk, lower insurance rates, and ward off lawsuits.
The defense writes itself,
"Hey, you can't sue us for your child's trauma, we did everything we reasonably could to ensure that a shooter couldn't get into the school. We built a fence, we locked the doors, we made the kids wear clear plastic book bags, we used a metal detector, we hired a guard, we expelled kids who made threats, and we called the police on people who aren't allowed to be here. If a kid then sneaks a 3D printed plastic gun on site and traumatizes the students it's not the school systems fault."
The US is crazy litigious, especially if a government entity is involved and someone might get a pay day. In my area a high school girl and some similarly aged boys ran away from school while at recess to a forest a mile or two off site. The girl then said she was sexually assaulted by the two boys, called her mom and was picked up and taken to the hospital directly (never came back to the school). The school had reported the girl missing, but only found out about the sexual assault after the mother filed a police report and the police reached out. The school cooperated with the police and reached out to the girl and her mother asking if she was ok or there was anything they could do, but the mother refused to answer their (the schools) phone calls or cooperate with the police. A year later the mother sued the school, the school system, the municipal government, and the police each for several million dollars for allowing her daughter to run away from school and for not protecting her from sexual assault in an offsite location. This lawsuit went on for over a year before the judge dismissed the case.
Oh cool.
Can you give us the statistics for school shootings in Europe so I can compare?
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I hate the word for the reasons you've said, but I know a lot of black Americans in Portugal that refer to themselves as expats.
Feels to me that the line is drawn along economic privilege lines rather than simply race.
"No war but the class war" strikes again
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We "tend to turn a blind eye to it" because "cultural problem" is primarily used as a racist dog whistle.
If your intention was to point at the underlying cause, you need to be talking about systematic impoverization, lack of generational wealth, devaluation of labor, etc.
wrote last edited by [email protected]Being American is not exclusive to black people and thus American culture has a country-wide problem in relation to guns.
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I would have said the two words are different by perspective. An "expat" is talking about where you're from. An "immigrant" is talking about where you are. Also, if you start talking about 2nd generation immigrants, then "expat" can't be used at all, which means it is narrower in scope, too.
I know there's some opinions on this, but I would consider this to be the case. Many people don't have so much pride in their origins to consider using a term like expat, then there's Americans, who's entire identity is based on where they were born.
So it makes sense that someone from America living in another country would identify as an American expat, while everyone else is just, immigrated to where they are. Not enough focus on what country they came from to bother with an expat definition.
Makes me think that American expats are looking backwards, while other immigrants are looking forwards.
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When its all made up? Yes. Yes it is
Im not sure which bits would be getting made up in response to this. Americans need hella security because school shootings are real. Europeans need minimal security because they simply aren't. Its a risk assessment thing. I dont think any of our schools, either side of the pond, are secure against ICBM attacks, because theyre unlikely to actually happen.
