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'Read' and its past tense are spelled the same. How should they be spelled?

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  • I [email protected]

    What about similar oddities in English?
    (This question is inspired by this comic by https://www.exocomics.com/) (I couldn't find the link to the actual comic)
    Edit: it's to its in the title. Damn autocorrect.

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    what if we just change the past tense to red? simpler?

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    • merc@sh.itjust.worksM [email protected]

      If you look at an IPA chart, you can see how going from /i/ to /e/ to /a/ is a process of the vowel becoming more and more "open" over time (said with the mouth wider and wider).

      In Quebec, the vowel shift that caused "oi" to have a /wa/ sound didn't fully happen. So, the word "moi" is often pronounced more like /mwe/ or /mwɛ/. But "oiseau" (bird) is still pronounced with a /wa/.

      The modern French pronunciation of the Loire river /lwaʁ/ influences the English pronunciation /lwɑːr/. But, other languages use a spelling that matches the French but have a different pronunciation. In Italian and Spanish it's Loira. The Latin name was Liger. So, it used to have a /i/ pronunciation before the vowel shift.

      tl;dr: modern French pronunciation vs spelling is just about as bad as English.

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      Ils sont fous, ces Français.

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        it's means "it is". It is really not difficult, just pretend you are Data and swear off contractions.

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        Ah, thanks for the reminder to look through some TNG again. Data is such a great character and fills the role of the outsider looking in perfectly.

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          what if we just change the past tense to red? simpler?

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          Make it redd, to easily distinguish from the color.

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            Make it redd, to easily distinguish from the color.

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            The irony with using Connect is that the text for "redd" being done in code format makes it red. 🤣

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              On a different note there is Reading, a football club in UK, which is pronounced "Redding". This pronunciation is akin to the Reading Railroad from Monopoly (which I mispronounced all my life until today).

              Little details, picked up along the way.

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              It's pronounced "Redding" Railroad?? All those times I sang "Take a look, it's in a book, Reading Railroad!" were a lie!

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                what if we just change the past tense to red? simpler?

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                People already struggle with 'led' being the past tense of "lead". It seems like quite a few people extend the "read/read" rule to "lead".

                In other words, I don't know if that would actually solve anything 😅

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                • samus12345@sh.itjust.worksS [email protected]

                  Except that "gh" is never pronounced "f" at the start of a word and "ti" is never "sh" at the end. The "o" is perfectly correct, though. Phosh.

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                  Of course. But it does illustrate some of the confusing quirks of the language though.

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                  • I [email protected]

                    What about similar oddities in English?
                    (This question is inspired by this comic by https://www.exocomics.com/) (I couldn't find the link to the actual comic)
                    Edit: it's to its in the title. Damn autocorrect.

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                    The digraph oo is pronounced at least six different ways:

                    • boot, proof, boost, scoop, moon
                    • book, foot, look, cookie, good
                    • floor, poor, door, moor
                    • flood, blood
                    • zoology, cooperative
                    • brooch (just brooch; there doesn't seem to be any other word in the whole language using this sound for oo).
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                    • I [email protected]

                      What about similar oddities in English?
                      (This question is inspired by this comic by https://www.exocomics.com/) (I couldn't find the link to the actual comic)
                      Edit: it's to its in the title. Damn autocorrect.

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                      Façade is written using a letter that doesn't appear in English language keyboards (or in any other English word that I'm aware of).

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                      • merc@sh.itjust.worksM [email protected]

                        You pronounce the middle syllable as "me"?

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                        Par-meh-sawn

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                          The digraph oo is pronounced at least six different ways:

                          • boot, proof, boost, scoop, moon
                          • book, foot, look, cookie, good
                          • floor, poor, door, moor
                          • flood, blood
                          • zoology, cooperative
                          • brooch (just brooch; there doesn't seem to be any other word in the whole language using this sound for oo).
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                          Brooch and mooch.

                          But, aren't these the same sounds as boot / proof / boost etc.?

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                            Ah, thanks for the reminder to look through some TNG again. Data is such a great character and fills the role of the outsider looking in perfectly.

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                            Plus he's a sex toy, which is cool. If peak Denise Crosby wanted to find out if I was fully functional, I might bust a hydraulic hose right there.

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                              Façade is written using a letter that doesn't appear in English language keyboards (or in any other English word that I'm aware of).

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                              one would say that word is a

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                                Brooch and mooch.

                                But, aren't these the same sounds as boot / proof / boost etc.?

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                                Brooch is pronounced like roach

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                                • L [email protected]

                                  Façade is written using a letter that doesn't appear in English language keyboards (or in any other English word that I'm aware of).

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                                  Just like naïve

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                                    Façade is written using a letter that doesn't appear in English language keyboards (or in any other English word that I'm aware of).

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                                    Using loan words is cheating, but also disqualifies half the English language

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                                      The digraph oo is pronounced at least six different ways:

                                      • boot, proof, boost, scoop, moon
                                      • book, foot, look, cookie, good
                                      • floor, poor, door, moor
                                      • flood, blood
                                      • zoology, cooperative
                                      • brooch (just brooch; there doesn't seem to be any other word in the whole language using this sound for oo).
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                                      #129

                                      Are the first 2 lines really different?

                                      Genuine question from a non native speaker.

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                                      • wizard_pope@lemmy.worldW [email protected]

                                        Are the first 2 lines really different?

                                        Genuine question from a non native speaker.

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                                        first line is a long oo, second line is a short oo.

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                                          first line is a long oo, second line is a short oo.

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                                          Oh I see it now. Thanks for the explanation

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