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'Read' and its past tense are spelled the same. How should they be spelled?

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  • W [email protected]

    Well I say that like it's spelled. I don't make the zh sound at the end of that's what you're referencing. I know some do though.

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    You pronounce the middle syllable as "me"?

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    • I [email protected]

      We should be consistent and say "readed". While we're on the subject, why isn't the past tense of go "goed"?

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      We should be consistent and say “readed”.

      But you should still pronounce it redded.

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      • L [email protected]

        And German has a word for it: Blei

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        Bly in Swedish. But we add some weirdness to the Bly part so a "lead pencil" is blyertspenna ("penna" meaning pencil). I can't think of another word where that specific addiction is used, and I have no idea what it means.

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        • mrscottytay@sh.itjust.worksM [email protected]

          Reading is a place itself, the football club is the club for that place

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          Next you're going to tell me there are places in the UK named Manchester and Liverpool and Notts County and St Johnstone and Celtic and Rangers and Port Vale.

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          • D [email protected]

            English has so much of this sort of nonsense. Like the fish can be spelled ghoti thing.

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            Except that "gh" is never pronounced "f" at the start of a word and "ti" is never "sh" at the end. The "o" is perfectly correct, though. Phosh.

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            • m137@lemmy.worldM [email protected]

              Bly in Swedish. But we add some weirdness to the Bly part so a "lead pencil" is blyertspenna ("penna" meaning pencil). I can't think of another word where that specific addiction is used, and I have no idea what it means.

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              I've looked it up and "blyerts" means "black lead, graphite" from German "Bleierz" (lead-ore).

              source

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              • Z [email protected]

                We should be consistent and say “readed”.

                But you should still pronounce it redded.

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                But then it would get confused with "redead" which could be detrimental when dealing with necromancers.

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                • I [email protected]

                  What about similar oddities in English?
                  (This question is inspired by this comic by https://www.exocomics.com/) (I couldn't find the link to the actual comic)
                  Edit: it's to its in the title. Damn autocorrect.

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                  what if we just change the past tense to red? simpler?

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                  • merc@sh.itjust.worksM [email protected]

                    If you look at an IPA chart, you can see how going from /i/ to /e/ to /a/ is a process of the vowel becoming more and more "open" over time (said with the mouth wider and wider).

                    In Quebec, the vowel shift that caused "oi" to have a /wa/ sound didn't fully happen. So, the word "moi" is often pronounced more like /mwe/ or /mwɛ/. But "oiseau" (bird) is still pronounced with a /wa/.

                    The modern French pronunciation of the Loire river /lwaʁ/ influences the English pronunciation /lwɑːr/. But, other languages use a spelling that matches the French but have a different pronunciation. In Italian and Spanish it's Loira. The Latin name was Liger. So, it used to have a /i/ pronunciation before the vowel shift.

                    tl;dr: modern French pronunciation vs spelling is just about as bad as English.

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                    Ils sont fous, ces Français.

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                    • H [email protected]

                      it's means "it is". It is really not difficult, just pretend you are Data and swear off contractions.

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                      Ah, thanks for the reminder to look through some TNG again. Data is such a great character and fills the role of the outsider looking in perfectly.

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                      • M [email protected]

                        what if we just change the past tense to red? simpler?

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                        Make it redd, to easily distinguish from the color.

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                        • tomenzgg@midwest.socialT [email protected]

                          Make it redd, to easily distinguish from the color.

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                          The irony with using Connect is that the text for "redd" being done in code format makes it red. 🤣

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                            On a different note there is Reading, a football club in UK, which is pronounced "Redding". This pronunciation is akin to the Reading Railroad from Monopoly (which I mispronounced all my life until today).

                            Little details, picked up along the way.

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                            It's pronounced "Redding" Railroad?? All those times I sang "Take a look, it's in a book, Reading Railroad!" were a lie!

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                            • M [email protected]

                              what if we just change the past tense to red? simpler?

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                              People already struggle with 'led' being the past tense of "lead". It seems like quite a few people extend the "read/read" rule to "lead".

                              In other words, I don't know if that would actually solve anything 😅

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                              • samus12345@sh.itjust.worksS [email protected]

                                Except that "gh" is never pronounced "f" at the start of a word and "ti" is never "sh" at the end. The "o" is perfectly correct, though. Phosh.

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                                Of course. But it does illustrate some of the confusing quirks of the language though.

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                                • I [email protected]

                                  What about similar oddities in English?
                                  (This question is inspired by this comic by https://www.exocomics.com/) (I couldn't find the link to the actual comic)
                                  Edit: it's to its in the title. Damn autocorrect.

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                                  The digraph oo is pronounced at least six different ways:

                                  • boot, proof, boost, scoop, moon
                                  • book, foot, look, cookie, good
                                  • floor, poor, door, moor
                                  • flood, blood
                                  • zoology, cooperative
                                  • brooch (just brooch; there doesn't seem to be any other word in the whole language using this sound for oo).
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                                  • I [email protected]

                                    What about similar oddities in English?
                                    (This question is inspired by this comic by https://www.exocomics.com/) (I couldn't find the link to the actual comic)
                                    Edit: it's to its in the title. Damn autocorrect.

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                                    Façade is written using a letter that doesn't appear in English language keyboards (or in any other English word that I'm aware of).

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                                    • merc@sh.itjust.worksM [email protected]

                                      You pronounce the middle syllable as "me"?

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                                      Par-meh-sawn

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                                      • L [email protected]

                                        The digraph oo is pronounced at least six different ways:

                                        • boot, proof, boost, scoop, moon
                                        • book, foot, look, cookie, good
                                        • floor, poor, door, moor
                                        • flood, blood
                                        • zoology, cooperative
                                        • brooch (just brooch; there doesn't seem to be any other word in the whole language using this sound for oo).
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                                        Brooch and mooch.

                                        But, aren't these the same sounds as boot / proof / boost etc.?

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                                        • A [email protected]

                                          Ah, thanks for the reminder to look through some TNG again. Data is such a great character and fills the role of the outsider looking in perfectly.

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                                          Plus he's a sex toy, which is cool. If peak Denise Crosby wanted to find out if I was fully functional, I might bust a hydraulic hose right there.

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