‘The tyranny of apps’: those without smartphones are unfairly penalised, say campaigners
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Walmart doesn't let you use contactless pay unless you use their app. several times now I've gone there to grab a few things, not realizing i didn't have my card with me, and had to leave a full cart behind because i will not install their adware.
Back in the day, Walmart and Apple fought over contactless pay standards for the US.
Apple's standard was eventually mass adopted, and has Walmart refused to license the tech. So you have to use their app, which uses their own tech stack.
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not the person you replied to but, that's better than I figured it was tbh
I'll probally wait quite a bit longer though myself. It even says on the main screen it's not ready for mainstream consumption.
I'm super excited for the project still, it has massive potential.
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Society must revert their mentality and not expect constant immediate access to everything. Absolutely nothing happens on the internet for personal activity that can’t wait a few hours or the next day.
yeah ok so, counterpoint, you pull up to an EV charging station (it's tesla because of course it's tesla) please show me where the card reader is. I'll wait.
Bad example. Tesla chargers don’t use an app, they assume you have an account set up with a credit card on file. Most people do that through the app but I don’t think you have to. Once it’s set up, it just works with no further interaction
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Do NOT give these fucking cunts any fucking money. I was a backer for this phone on indiegogo.
They are liars when they eventually did communicate any updates during the project. They produced around 2000 units, most of which were sent to people who backed the project years after the first backers on indiegogo because they backed on a different platform.
Ultimately they just shut down the kickstarter giving no actual details. They stole thousands of peoples money through that. They made a product with the money people contributed to back the project and then just shuttered the project so they wouldn't need to deliver a device to these backers.
I didn't realise they were now trying to sell them again but the units that did get shipped were massively out of date and barely worked as it is.
If you want a keyboard on a phone Unihertz are about your only option right now.
Fuck planet computers, thieving fucking cunts
It's probably too late to do anything about it, but what you described there does directly violate Indiegogo's TOS in regards to perks, so I'm surprised that people weren't able to reach out to the platform itself and issue chargebacks against the Creator in order to get their backers payments back.
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Walmart doesn't let you use contactless pay unless you use their app. several times now I've gone there to grab a few things, not realizing i didn't have my card with me, and had to leave a full cart behind because i will not install their adware.
Walmart doesn’t let you use contactless pay unless you use their app.
By "contactless pay" I assume you're talking about paying by using a smartphone app? Obviously I don't care about that because the whole point of my post is that I'm not using a smartphone, so obviously I have no apps of any kind.
But if by "contactless pay" you meant paying with your debit card by tapping it or holding it near the card reader, yes they do have that like everyone else.
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Flipphones.... I want a full keyboard phone again. Maybe even a slider full keyboard. Those were the days.
Apps... I evade most apps as much as i can or if i must use closed source apps, i will put them in a secondary profile.
I have a flip phone with a touchscreen so I can type via the onscreen keyboard. When I bought it I wondered how well it would work since the screen is so small, but it works great! So much easier than using the keypad. BTW it also has maps with voice navigation.
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Hey, I usually like to have about 50 PLN (~$12.50) in my wallet, but you can't expect everyone to keep loads of cash on them.
In this thread we ask: Can we expect everyone to use a banking app either? How is that more reasonable, if one of them is democratically controlled and the other is corporate controlled?
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Why are they no option in the US?
Verizon who uses only CDMA has always had by-far the largest most reliable cellular coverage. Unfortunately, they dictate the firmware released to android phones on their network and they will gladly push an OS update to lockdown the bootloader. Phones like the Pinephone go almost completely unsupported by verizon, and a lot of linux phones are only supported by GSM (not CDMA) technology because thats whats used primarily outside the US. The main competitors to Verizon do support GSM but in 2 decades they have not managed to expand and surpass Verizon's network coverage.
For example I briefly did Doordash in the major Public University town I live in and when I was on the competitors network, my cellular data coverage would drop outside the student dorms in the middle of campus. I'd be doing deliveries and the delivery app would suddenly disconnect. -I switched back to verizon a year later, and though I lost some functionality on my phone (like access to the secret diagnostics menu) I now get coverage everywhere insidetown and most places outside town
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It's probably too late to do anything about it, but what you described there does directly violate Indiegogo's TOS in regards to perks, so I'm surprised that people weren't able to reach out to the platform itself and issue chargebacks against the Creator in order to get their backers payments back.
I haven't look at it in a while as I was pissed off that it went down the way it did. Although I personally didn't contact indiegogo many people from the backers within the comments did so and indiegogo refused to do anything about it. So they are complicit in this theft too so by extension I wouldn't advise anyone to use their "service" either.
I did have a look at the campaign because of this comment and nothing has changed, lots of people still complaining about planet computers and indiegogo so it doesnt look like anyone got anywhere in terms of getting their money back.
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It's true in many ways. If I buy McDonald's without the app I pay more for it. If I fill up my gas tank without an app like upside, I pay more for it. There are services that aren't even available to people without modern phones (I refuse to call them smart phones). Maybe we need legislation to ensure all available discounts, services and benefits are available to customers equally regardless of how they engage services.
Pocket computer, phone is just an aspect of it. Surveillance capitalism monitors is what they are in the context you describe
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Bad example. Tesla chargers don’t use an app, they assume you have an account set up with a credit card on file. Most people do that through the app but I don’t think you have to. Once it’s set up, it just works with no further interaction
Bad example.
what are you going to do setup android emulation so you can install the tesla app (which might not work in emulation because that's sus, but maybe they dont have good security anyway lmao) sure, you can set it up once, but like, what do you do if your credit card is cancelled, or the app suddenly stops accepting purchases because "you haven't been online in a week" and it's for "security purposes" or some other stupid shit like that. This is the entire reason card based payment exists lmao. Why are we just reinventing it.
i guess theoretically if it's a webapp you could do it on the browser, but then like, how is it going to link information back to you personally? Unless you own a tesla, where you basically just save your payment info on the car directly at that point. Maybe they will invent credit card 2 electric boogaloo. Are they going to start installing NFC/RFID into charging ports for payment link info? Seems silly to me.
If you own a non tesla, this is as you mentioned, a huge issue, considering that NACS is the charging standard for all of north america now.
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sounds like you DO have a use for one...
i mean sure, but do i WANT to use it for that? No, i just want to fucking pay for my shit and leave. I don't want your stupid little QR codes, i don't want your silly little NFC, just accept card or fuck off.
Just because you can invent some schizophrenic use for a smartphone, doesn't mean i have a use for it.
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Not sure if we can really blame Steve Jobs for this though, he wasn't around when things turned to shit. The iPhone he introduced was merely a phone, web browser, email and music player.
I think it's fair if we blame Tim Apple for this and the other big tech CEO's of the recent past.
it was his idea, his vision. I blame him post mortem, because steve would've wanted the ecosystem to work flawlessly, and regardless of whether or not he was here today, we would have the same problem.
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Don't lose hope, lead the resistance!
Out of curiosity, how many flip phones have you used since 2007?
As best as I can remember, I'm on my 6th.
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As best as I can remember, I'm on my 6th.
Well... I expected better longevity, to be honest.
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Yeah. My bank is one of the few UK banks whose app won't work with Graphene, which is irritating. Also, the lack of Wallet access for payment cards is annoying.
But all in all everything else works fine.
Lloyds? they're closing my local branch as well really need to go in and close the accounts tbh.
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Lloyds? they're closing my local branch as well really need to go in and close the accounts tbh.
Yep, Lloyds.
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It's true in many ways. If I buy McDonald's without the app I pay more for it. If I fill up my gas tank without an app like upside, I pay more for it. There are services that aren't even available to people without modern phones (I refuse to call them smart phones). Maybe we need legislation to ensure all available discounts, services and benefits are available to customers equally regardless of how they engage services.
It costs less with the app bexause you pay with your privacy and dignity.
Now tgey can A/B test your behavioural patterns like a lab rat and create models to tweedle your knobs just right for optimal value extraction at the specified satisfaction level of you type or personnal prifile.Then they can use what they learned against non-app users that are also human. It won't be as accurate but they'll probably guess your profile type just from environmental and anonymizer data footprint.
From tge cctv camera, gait tracking, face recognition, automatic demographic analysis, the car model and plate number you came with, your vocabulary grade when talking to the clerk and of cpurse the treasure throve of data they can buy from your credit card company, they'll be able to know you as well as if you had the app. They might even end up knowing you better than yourself.
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Yep, Lloyds.
They were absolute bellends when I tried to get it sorted to transfer the money to another bank as well, sat there insisting my "phone had been hacked/had a virus" and only actually moved my bloody money after I threatened a official complaint.
