Reeeeeeeeeally hard to stop my self from screaming “I fucking told you so” to all the idiots who insisted Trump would be better for the situation right now

[thefonz@lemmy.world]

Eh, was a little more than a resolution that created the state. Cmon now.

[clent@lemmy.dbzer0.com]

Saying, "I told you so" has zero affect. This people didn't reason themselves into their positions and will refuse any reason that would cause them to change their minds.

It was clear months ago these were smart people. Their utter lack of doubt continues to be the reddest of flags.

[alexanderthedead@lemmy.world]

Yeah bro, because hating Trump means I want to gargle Biden's balls. You're a waste of time.

But, for the sake of others reading this:

Trump said that if hostages weren't released, there would be hell to pay in the middle-east. In other words, he applied pressure to HAMAS- but not, you know, the genociders.

Additionally, if you click on the source noting Trump's incoming envoy's vague "involvement", you will note that he had no direct involvement in the negotiations.

Edit: I take it back, tentatively. There was a second reference in the following sentence that elaborated on the Trump admin's involvement. Interesting. Okay. So it seems that they did pressure Israel to agree to a ceasefire.

We'll see how long that lasts, considering the last ceasefire lasted 6 days and all.

[misterscruffy@lemmy.ml]

How would Kamala have been better for Palestine?

[gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works]

He did not secure a ceasefire.

Note that the ceasefire is literally identical to the one the US Department of State proposed the better part of a year ago. The ceasefire was enacted now, and not before, for reasons of political timing, nothing more. This falls in the same category as Nixon when when he pulled a very similar ploy with Vietnam.

[charapaso@lemmy.world]

But... I'm not okay with giving up one group, nor excusing genocide. We must be having two different discussions, because I got the impression you were advocating for simply rolling over and giving up.

What I was getting at is that participating in an immoral system, only inasmuch as wasting a little time to vote for a lesser evil, can help us achieve our aims when taking action outside the ballot box. It's easier to fight genocide against one group than genocide against many groups, right?

[runawayfixer@lemmy.world]

Also the same category as Reagan's election and the embassy hostages + Iran contra affair. It's part of the standard republican playbook now.

[anomnom@sh.itjust.works]

The trans bans are just a test as they work their way toward Hispanic, Muslim, and eventually everyone without a red hat on bans.

[count042@lemmy.ml]

Then you're ignorant of both history and geopolitics.

Israel is a client state, full stop, of the US. Reagan made one phone call and ended the war in Lebanon.

In fact, Israel institutionally, does not know how to end wars, because they've never done it. The US has always ended their wars for them.

Israel has received a full third of foreign aid the US has ever given out. It isn't a state on it's own. It ceases to exist and will go bankrupt almost immediately without the US.

Your whole 'Biden couldn't force them to stop' schtick is either bad faith out ignorance of every aspect of the history of that reason.

There is a reason that Trump didn't so foreign aid to Israel and Egypt when he froze it everywhere else. Neither state would continue to exist if he hadn't.

[count042@lemmy.ml]

You're right, it was also terrorism and the slaughter of civilians.

[count042@lemmy.ml]

It's not 'trust me, bro' when it is public fucking history. It's just you being ignorant to the point that if someone sent you links they would have to be posted with 'let me google it for you'

Asking for proof when someone says the sky is blue doesn't do anything but make you look stupid or bad faith.

[pyroneurosis@lemmy.blahaj.zone]

If it was enacted now because of Trump, then he is the reason it passed.

Ergo he secured it.

He may be a piece of shit with nothing material to add, but his endorsement did move this ceasefire forwards.

[zarkanian@sh.itjust.works]

He did not secure a ceasefire.

The ceasefire was enacted now, and not before, for reasons of political timing, nothing more.

Wait...so, who's responsible for the ceasefire? If it was Biden, why did he choose to do it after Trump got elected? What kind of "political timing" is that?

[cranakis@reddthat.com]

So trust you bro. Got it.

You're aware Reagan was 40 fucking years ago right?

[gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works]

I feel like you’re intentionally misunderstanding and missing the point of what I’m saying

[zarkanian@sh.itjust.works]

It's not intentional.

[recreationalcatheter@lemm.ee]

This is the 7th time you've commented this extremely low effort comment making ZERO points at all.

You're a real piece of shit. You genocided palestine. You bastard.

[recreationalcatheter@lemm.ee]

At least the Palestinians are safe and Israel is paying reparations to rebuild gaza..

OH WAIT THATS COMPLETELY UNTRUE AND YOU AIDED A GENOCIDE. CONGRATULATIONS, LIB.

[recreationalcatheter@lemm.ee]

They can't recognize reality or their propaganda addled brains would drip out their noses.

Reading too many .ml comments is akin to eating a tub of lead based solder.

[recreationalcatheter@lemm.ee]

No you don't get it, the president directly controls everything including the price of eggs and petroleum.

(These .ml types are as disassociated with reality as the MAGATs)