The So-Called “Free Speech Warriors” – Even in Switzerland, Speaking Out Can Get You Arrested

[tobogganablaze@lemmus.org]

Switzerland has been a member of Schengen since 2008 ....

[porous_grey_matter@lemmy.ml]

Stop spreading misinformation, Switzerland is fully in Schengen since 2008.

https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/ALL/?uri=CELEX%3A32008D0903

[ignotum@lemmy.world]

I live in europe and i will not be silenced, certain crimes are not just permissible they're a moral good!

Adobe is evil, if you need their products then pirate it!

[petter1@lemm.ee]

Right to defend is not equal celebrating death and destruction like it was some sort of a fucking party…

I agree with you, that Israel did not handle the situation like they should have. But I agree with Fedpol as well, to not let any extremist disturb the cultural peace we currently have in Switzerland.

[petter1@lemm.ee]

You ask me how it makes him an islamist after I commented regional context, i answer that I and the article never stated that he is a “islamist” (what that even mean, isn’t that just the same as saying someone is Jude/Christian??), and then you said I missed the point

WTF

[petter1@lemm.ee]

so many different years

But yea, you are absolutely right

[petter1@lemm.ee]

Thank you for correcting!

I got confused somehow, was not intentional

[braininabox@lemmy.ml]

Fedpol will ban people connected to political causes and organizations it deems unacceptable.

Yes, that's the point. That's the thing we're calling out.

[braininabox@lemmy.ml]

but his post on X seemed to celebrate destruction and murder.

Lol, if Switzerland kicked out every European who generically celebrated destruction or murder, it would be an empty country.

[braininabox@lemmy.ml]

Oh really? Can you show me some examples of anyone being arrested for approving of Israel's crimes?

[braininabox@lemmy.ml]

"it's ok for the government to suppress free speech if the government declares that free speech unacceptable"

[petter1@lemm.ee]

But isn’t it understandable that Switzerland does not want foreign political organisations to interfere with the political landscape in Switzerland?

As told above already, I just hope (and fear that is not) that similar extremists supporting attacks from Isreal, are banned from entering our country as well.

[petter1@lemm.ee]

Only popular people get onto the radar of Fedpol.

And Switzerland has swiss citizens, there are not only European people in Switzerland.

And yea, I agree, that Fedpol does not always do the right decision, meaning false positives and false negatives.

But with this guy, I agree with fedpol, at least with that little information I have, hope this X posts are really from him and mot a smear campaign.

[menemen@lemmy.ml]

Lol, I have to check out if I can block you. I despice right wing troll. But this is the headline of the article you cited and on which I commented:

"Erneut hätte ein Islamist in Zürich auftreten sollen, nun ist der Mann verhaftet worden. Regierungsrat Mario Fehr spricht von einem «Judenhasser»"

Und "Islamist" heißt auf english halt "islamist". Versuch nicht meinen Kommentar zu verdrehen. Unglaublich, AFD-Taktiken...

[braininabox@lemmy.ml]

Really? So no popular supporter of Israels genocide has ever been to Switzerland? No supporter of the Iraq War? No popular person who has celebrated murder or destruction by a western power has ever been to Switzerland?

I'm going to let you in on a secret: Switzerland? It's actually in Europe.

And by "doesn't always make the right decision" you mean it makes its decision based on whether or not it agrees with the particular instance of murder and destruction being celebrated.

Yes, I gathered you agree with banning free speech you disagree with.

[braininabox@lemmy.ml]

But isn’t it understandable that Switzerland does not want foreign political organisations to interfere with the political landscape in Switzerland?

Is Switzerland banning everyone who's expressed support for a foreign political organization? No? Ok then, guess that's not what this is about.

As told above already, I just hope (and fear that is not) that similar extremists supporting attacks from Isreal, are banned from entering our country as well.

They aren't and won't be though. You know that, and you know why. They also won't be banning people supporting attacks by the USA, or Ukraine, or any NATO power. Because that's not what it's about.

[evil_shrubbery@lemm.ee]

War is peas.

Freedom is celery.

Ignorance is spinach.

[petter1@lemm.ee]

Of course you can block me, bit what is it worth, it limits you to see other opinions..

damn, and yea you are right, i have overseen that.

How to you call people who believe in the islamistic religion?

[petter1@lemm.ee]

I need more evidence than a single entity that was bot let in and is in my opinion ok to not let in to conclude that we have a systemic problem in fedPol

I hope there are some good quality investigation reports about that

Supporter and extremist is not the same

My personal opinion is, that every country has “bad” and “good” people and I have no desire to have extremists in my country

If fedPol really does such a bad job preventing Israel supporting extremism from entering Switzerland, we indeed have to change that.

I support free speech and I am thankful for al the crical thinking in this comment thread. We don’t solve problems by ignoring each other.

[land@lemmy.ml]

100%. They are so delusional that 48,000+ innocent deaths are meaning nothing, but their argument starts from October 7th. When Palestinians have been facing this for 75 years.

I come to your house, steal your stuff, tell you to fuj off. Obviously, you’re gonna fight back. Seems like minds in the West are so full of hatred towards Muslims, Arabs, and brown people that they’ve lost their humanity.