What do you do when people don't care?

[laintrain@lemmy.dbzer0.com]

That's 100% true and a fault in OP's attempt, but the broader question remains, if some people don't seek it out, what do you do then?

[bmebenji@lemm.ee]

Sure, but part of the problem then is that you have to convince them of that, and that’s even harder than arguing and using the Bible as at least part of your premise

[agent_nycto@lemmy.world]

They're*

The thing is, a lot of these people are literally Nazis, and I'm starting to wonder if it was "people saying Nazi too much" or it was actually "there was a fuckton of Nazis and no one took people saying that seriously and now there's Nazis around and people are blaming the folks who were warning others about the Nazis for not seeing Nazis soon enough"

[ryathal@sh.itjust.works]

Try making friends first, or at least understanding them. If you aren't willing or capable of doing that you are just going to make things worse.

[agent_nycto@lemmy.world]

You could start by engaging and reaching out. For example, assuming someone doesn't care because of their race, gender identity and job is kinda shitty. Maybe look into those internal biases.

The next part would be finding out how they are and will be effected by this new presidency. Sometimes people have a hard time caring about a problem if it doesn't affect them directly. You might have to get to know your coworkers rather than make assumptions about them to learn this.

Being polite and nice to them also helps, no one wants to hear from someone who's screaming at them.

[scott_of_the_arctic@lemmy.world]

The US has always crossed lines when it comes to treatment of prisoners, but this is different and you know it. Traditionally the US has always been an oligarchy masquerading as a democracy in order to claim legitimacy. Now in under two weeks the Trusk regime has completely restructured everything in an effort to turn all instructions into a manifestation of their will. Mark my words, if you don't see the difference now, you will soon.

[conditional_soup@lemm.ee]

I've seen some leftist arguments that were denser than lead, this ain't that. Let me rephrase for them, though:

Stop allowing social media fart sniffing contests frame how you approach activism.

[anonymouse@lemmy.world]

Perhaps you can find inspiration from Daryl Davis, who convinced 200 Klansmen to give up their robes.

https://www.npr.org/2017/08/20/544861933/how-one-man-convinced-200-ku-klux-klan-members-to-give-up-their-robes

[ultragigagigantic@lemmy.ml]

Not everything works out in life.

[tetris11@lemmy.ml]

Stop allowing social media fart sniffing contests control how you do activism

I'm onboard with this sentence. I'm sorry, but if you're going to preface an argument on the premise of kneeling to another's level, then actually commit to the kneel.

[geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml]

People talking about people about concentration camps after Democrats have supported a genocide campaign in a concentration camp for more than a year.

You can tell OP does not believe any person outside of America is human.

[geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml]

If they claim to care about it then it can be used to point out their hypocrisy.

[laintrain@lemmy.dbzer0.com]

Huh? Did you respond to the wrong user?I'm not OP, I don't go out talking at people at work.

All of my friends are already pretty much on the same page more or less, it'd be hard to be friends with someone who is against human rights or doesn't care about such things as I'm a minority.

The question i posed in my comment was about a societal scale: what do you do to reach a disengaged electorate or an electorate that has no desire to know the truth and is not actively seeking it out whatsoever, instead believing things that re completely transparently false.

Because as it stands, the current strategy of content online or in traditional media simply ends up preaching to the choir, the lectures containing truth end up reaching only those who seek them out and as such already have an allegiance to the truth and likely at least to some extent agree with them, or see them as epistemologically well justified beliefs imperically and/or logically.

I personally rather obviously can't make friends of like 50% of the population of a country for instance, so it's not really a workable solution lol and I don't think that's what you meant.

So how do you show those people who believe transparently false things because it suits them the truth and teach them to want to seek out truth and want to believe the truth and to spot falsehoods and not be swayed by rhem, when those people have absolutely no interest in such things?

And if you can't, what do you do then? Because these people will literally destroy a democratic society if given the chance.

[phoenicianpirate@lemm.ee]

Have you ever wondered how people reacted to the original Nazis in the 1930s? Well... now you know. If can feel proud of something, it is at least I am extremely against it and the whole 'what would you have done?' is basically answered definitively for me.

[liyunxiao@sh.itjust.works]

Since we're not in a .world comm, there were just a lot of fucking Nazis. The US has always been significantly further right wing than it's contemporary nations, at least since the 1800s, but since the 1920s it basically accelerated to light speed. Every minor progressive victory was a half century or more after other countries, and immediately hated by more than half the country; hence why so many rights in the US are tenuous scotus decisions and not laws.

The rest of the world after the 1950s has viewed you guys as the next Nazis. Hell even in WW2 you were only the good guys by comparison, and even then the Soviets were the protagonists of that era with all their flaws.

Only very recently and only in aesthetics has the US really made any strides, and because you chose aesthetics over legislation that progress was easy to destroy. You had a far right wing black president people called progressive because of the color of his skin, you 'legalized' gay marriage without legislation, you had all other companies doing rainbow capitalism to show how open and progressive your society was, despite having the highest wealth inequality in the world – and that's no easy feat, North Korea exists.

The fall of the US to fascism was inevitable, because both the ruling class and the majority populous has always fully supported fascism, they just hate the aesthetics.

[araneae@beehaw.org]

I have just creeped this womans ENTIRE POST HISTORY back to the beginning and there is not SHIT to support this narrative you awful fucking little goblin. She has posted NOTHING that I saw even vaguely political (at a skim) to suggest she vocally supported the excesses of the IDF, sick inadequacy of the Biden administration, or anything except generic girl stuff. What the FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU. I am more of a regime whore than she is. Get a fucking grip .mls.

The fucks that left unity you assholes use to browbeat anarchists with?

To be frank I know this is a bad faith poster so I don't value them or anything they have to say in response. This is what blocklists are for. I am pointing this dog shit out for the rest of you. WHAT IS THIS? Because it looks purposelessly cynical and divisive for the sake of keeping people down and tired. Almost state-actor like, if I may be so bold.

[araneae@beehaw.org]

For reference:

[geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml]

I did not check their post history.

I simply read the post and concluded if this is the point OP starts caring about concentration camps they might need to rethink a lot of things.

[kwakigra@beehaw.org]

Something I've had to accept over the course of my life is that the vast majority of humans will passively accept anything as long as they feel like there's something they can do to not be killed. Only when it feels out of control whether they might be killed will the majority of people feel the need to act and no sooner. There has never been any changing this. Fortunately the vast majority of people are not needed to affect positive change. People who care need to set the tone and followers will follow as they do. Your efforts would be better served among people actively resisting or building structures that benefit people.

[socialmediarefugee@lemmy.ml]

Read about the Weimar government, the economic crash, the street battles and the Freikorps, etc.