What's the weirdest defense you've seen used to justify belief in God?
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It also doesn't make any sense why it would be the Christian god if that's the reasoning because I think rather a lot of different religions would happily take credit for whatever it is they thought made the world "perfect" so why would the Christian claim to this perfection be any stronger than any other?
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Anything, anything, random mutations.
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Yeah thats why i mentioned them saying it was proof of christianity specifically. A lot of christians refuse to aknowledge other religions being equally valid (or more so tbh for the older ones.)
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"I don't personally understand it, therefore God did it"
(Argument from Ignorance, or God of the Gaps fallacy)I hear this with regard to evolution, chemistry, bacteria, weather. They don't know how something works, that's proof enough for them. Eventually they say "then how was the universe created? There had to have been a creator!" (First cause argument) Or "The eye is so complicated, it had to be designed" (Watchmaker Fallacy)
I used to listen to The Atheist Experience podcast, but it got repetitive hearing the same arguments from religious people, over and over. I also didn't like how mean the hosts could get sometimes, but I understand their frustration..
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There's also one massive miscalculation in there.
What if the "real god" prefers non-believers to believers in the wrong gods? What if he's jealous, and only his believers and non-believers go to heaven, while all believers of wrong gods go to hell?
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Ah yeah "all atheists just hate god," I forgot that was a thing. Could be the case, it was a long time ago
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Well I'm being a little deceptive for the joke of course, but he just felt like Jesus was sitting in the chair and then talked to the invisible Jesus.
The guy ended up doing a bunch of stuff at my highschool and which really bugged me because he only ever had surface level religious phrases to say (motivational speaker kinda stuff but with more Jesus) that glossed over some really big issues we were all facing at the time.
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“Because I can’t cope with a world where bad people don’t go to Hell.”
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May I put my own believe and thinking of the topic "God"?
I see God as something real in a metaverse. Everyone has a copy of God in our Brains. God is just a Blueprint, similar to a program or a peace of code. When multiple people believe in the same God, they feel and think in the same direction and apply the rules that the blueprint is given.
I see lots of benefits of having some more powerful being in your mind. To process emotions better that are too strong to handle alone with no hope. But there are also many cases where great mathematicians could go so far, because they tripped into infinities and understood many patterns. A god being is just our structure of society.
The sad part about the believe of god is that people think its more than real. That people should die because God wants to and etc. Because in our Physical world exists nothing that has to do with god. Its all Natural Selection, DNA code executing the right proteins to build things and neurons learning the patterns.
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I was indoctrinated on Ray Comfort, I knew who it was going to be before clicking on the link
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Thank you for leading me to find this book. I will enjoy reading it.
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Matt used to he a firebrand on the Atheist Experience. He's moved on to The Line show and continues with call-ins.
His "meanness" has been refined and aimed strictly at bad faith actors who call in. People who are honest and straightforward don't get yelled at.
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This is really the primary death knell for the argument. Yes, there billions and billions of "god" variations - but at least believing in one might get you a (near-zero) better chance at a decent afterlife.
...until you realize the category of "Gods who dont want your worship".
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I'd also say, the fundamental point of it (that finite cost in life is worth the chance at infinite reward or avoiding infinite punishment) is pretty abysmal morally. Pretty easy to justify atrocities for any concept of God that way as a rational approach to life.
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Only those who complete life without believing in a God pass into the next stage of the simulation.
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My pastor said of eugenics that "this is where ideas like evolution lead". He was trying to "prove" the existence of his god as a sunday message. He'd tried to lay it out as a proof, but all of his points were either tangential (like this one, even if you assume it to be sound) or fallacious.
It was the most wild argument I've heard because this wasn't something he'd just thought of in the moment. He'd prepared a script for this. Someone, presumably, had proofread that script. This, combined with all of the other failed attempts at proof present in the message, was what broke what remained of my faith. So now I can say that I was decoverted by my own pastor, which is wild too!
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It was so roundabout and specific that I couldn't possibly remember the details, but there was apparently a certain baseball player who got an unbelievable score, which was in some way both a holy number and statistically impossible.
They knew all the details and connected it to the player's own questioning of religion, but I thought it was absurd. Somebody, somewhere, made a very specific play in baseball? Doesn't sound that unbelievable.
