is this how extroverts function?
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Not OP but this is a hell of an insight, thank you.
You’re right that I would have no frickin clue what that second sentence would mean. Someone asking me if I emailed Bob yet directly would not offend me, and I’d prefer it.
My only solution so far has been to say directly to my coworkers that they won’t offend me by asking directly but that doesn’t work 100% of the time. I get paid to do my job, not decode 400 lines of possible subtext from a passing sentence because they’re afraid of asking a question.
I still say hello and act friendly though. ¯_(ツ)_/¯
In case this is helpful.
"It's important that Shipping is up-to-date on these developments, Bob is their point person"
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Sure is. Bob is great. Is there a problem?
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That makes sense. Who is Bob?
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Sir, this is a Wendy's. Can I cake your order. (Only applicable if you are on shift at the Wendy's you work at.)
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In case this is helpful.
"It's important that Shipping is up-to-date on these developments, Bob is their point person"
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Sure is. Bob is great. Is there a problem?
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That makes sense. Who is Bob?
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Sir, this is a Wendy's. Can I cake your order. (Only applicable if you are on shift at the Wendy's you work at.)
Wendy’s puts your order in a cake now?
These gimmicks are getting to be a bit much.
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Okay, first off, fellow introvert here:
The problem you're describing isn't really an introvert-extrovert thing, it's a sociable-antisocial thing. I think your gender dynamics theory has some merit, too, but what you need to understand is that, before, you were acting antisocial.
Ignoring people is antisocial, and moreso when it's people talking about their feelings. To you that was worthless drama but to them it was their emotional experience. Now you're engaging; and yes, with hostility, but at least there's communication and connection.
And in my experience, a lot of more blunt people have trouble telling passive-aggression apart from a more indirect communication style. "Did you email Bob from shipping yet?" is very blunt, to the point of rudeness. "It's important that Shipping is up-to-date on these developments, Bob is their point person" is much less confrontational.
So I'd say it's not being a jerk that's improved your situation, it's matching communication styles with your teammates.
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Okay, first off, fellow introvert here:
The problem you're describing isn't really an introvert-extrovert thing, it's a sociable-antisocial thing. I think your gender dynamics theory has some merit, too, but what you need to understand is that, before, you were acting antisocial.
Ignoring people is antisocial, and moreso when it's people talking about their feelings. To you that was worthless drama but to them it was their emotional experience. Now you're engaging; and yes, with hostility, but at least there's communication and connection.
And in my experience, a lot of more blunt people have trouble telling passive-aggression apart from a more indirect communication style. "Did you email Bob from shipping yet?" is very blunt, to the point of rudeness. "It's important that Shipping is up-to-date on these developments, Bob is their point person" is much less confrontational.
So I'd say it's not being a jerk that's improved your situation, it's matching communication styles with your teammates.
Matching communication styles is the key here. If there's a general chatty vibe to the team and you're the only one not engaging then you're the odd one out and that will invite comment.
If your team are chatty, you don't need to go all out at the same level they are, but showing some willing and chatting at least sometimes will usually be enough to ensure harmony. Knowing how to disengage without causing offence or annoyance is also an important skill.
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They take offense because "wanting nothing from them" implies that they have nothing to offer. Even if this is true, it's still rude to imply.
And yeah, pretty much the only way to get needy conversationalists off your back is to throw them a bone once in a while, even if it's only a "ooh that's rough, but whatcha gonna do?" or a "not bad, yourself?"
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Okay, first off, fellow introvert here:
The problem you're describing isn't really an introvert-extrovert thing, it's a sociable-antisocial thing. I think your gender dynamics theory has some merit, too, but what you need to understand is that, before, you were acting antisocial.
Ignoring people is antisocial, and moreso when it's people talking about their feelings. To you that was worthless drama but to them it was their emotional experience. Now you're engaging; and yes, with hostility, but at least there's communication and connection.
And in my experience, a lot of more blunt people have trouble telling passive-aggression apart from a more indirect communication style. "Did you email Bob from shipping yet?" is very blunt, to the point of rudeness. "It's important that Shipping is up-to-date on these developments, Bob is their point person" is much less confrontational.
So I'd say it's not being a jerk that's improved your situation, it's matching communication styles with your teammates.
Now you’re engaging; and yes, with hostility, but at least there’s communication and connection.
it’s not being a jerk that’s improved your situation, it’s matching communication styles with your teammates.
do you know those couples where they only communicate yelling? Why would a sane person want that? It still doesn't make any sense. To you engaging with hostility is better than not engaging but I still find it appalling and prefer silence and quietness over yelling and drama. Yelling is extremely draining.
OTOH your post makes me understand how some people think, hopefully a very reduced number of people, but if this is how some of my coworkers communicate and expect me to communicate, quitting is still the right choice. This cannot be healthy on the long term.
Going on, I'll match my new coworkers' communication style and volume, but it can get really ludicrous if 2 "adults" at the office start yelling at each other (reason why I prefer to simply disappear)
Still baffled, because yours is a whole novel idea to me: angry communication, even toxic, aggressive and unpleasant is better than no communication. Not saying that I agree with it, but I'll think about it when dealing with some of my coworkers.
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Okay, first off, fellow introvert here:
The problem you're describing isn't really an introvert-extrovert thing, it's a sociable-antisocial thing. I think your gender dynamics theory has some merit, too, but what you need to understand is that, before, you were acting antisocial.
Ignoring people is antisocial, and moreso when it's people talking about their feelings. To you that was worthless drama but to them it was their emotional experience. Now you're engaging; and yes, with hostility, but at least there's communication and connection.
And in my experience, a lot of more blunt people have trouble telling passive-aggression apart from a more indirect communication style. "Did you email Bob from shipping yet?" is very blunt, to the point of rudeness. "It's important that Shipping is up-to-date on these developments, Bob is their point person" is much less confrontational.
So I'd say it's not being a jerk that's improved your situation, it's matching communication styles with your teammates.
Yep. I'm on the blunt side and I've been told by some people that they thought people did something wrong based on my direct communication. I had to respond that I work in an industry where you have to be blunt to communicate what you want, so bluntness is the standard.
On the flip side, I've gotten frustrated by people who are far more passive in giving direction because it ends up leading to poor decisions and rework that should have been addressed because they didn't provide clarity when asked to.
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Matching communication styles is the key here. If there's a general chatty vibe to the team and you're the only one not engaging then you're the odd one out and that will invite comment.
If your team are chatty, you don't need to go all out at the same level they are, but showing some willing and chatting at least sometimes will usually be enough to ensure harmony. Knowing how to disengage without causing offence or annoyance is also an important skill.
If your team are chatty, you don’t need to go all out at the same level they are, but showing some willing and chatting at least sometimes will usually be enough to ensure harmony.
my team is not made of people who simply want a hello. I don't want to even say hello because if I do they'll dump on me a monologue about their weekend, what they cooked or the reasons why they're angry at another coworker.
Knowing how to disengage without causing offence or annoyance is also an important skill.
can you write an answer with tips to disengage without causing offence?
I don't think I can do this: while your post seems genuine I still find it ludicrous to have to placate needy people with attention this way. If I give them a bit of attention, they'll want more and talk to me even more about their feelings at the workplace and distract me, something I don't want.
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why would they take offense in you just wanting nothing with them?
I still don't get it, but they're this needy, apparently
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They take offense because "wanting nothing from them" implies that they have nothing to offer. Even if this is true, it's still rude to imply.
And yeah, pretty much the only way to get needy conversationalists off your back is to throw them a bone once in a while, even if it's only a "ooh that's rough, but whatcha gonna do?" or a "not bad, yourself?"
They take offense because “wanting nothing from them” implies that they have nothing to offer.
but some of them do have something to offer: job experience and know how, but they fixate on gossiping and badmouthing other coworkers when they're not around.
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Here's the secret.
There's a huge difference between not speaking to people and saying a few words.
If someone says "hello" to you and you ignore them, they think you're snubbing them. If you just say "hello" back then they are usually satisfied.
Try timing your interactions. You'll find if you spend even 15 seconds talking to people they'll end the conversation themselves.
If you just say “hello” back then they are usually satisfied.
sadly, that's not the case where I am. They always want more.
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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ml/post/26365993
I'm the quiet, introverted one and I may be on the spectrum. I like to do my job and go home. I hate drama and drama queens and ignore people when they start gossiping. Many extroverts find that offensive and talk behind my back like teenagers do. This stupid drama is the only reason why I quit my job after finding a new one.
I agreed to stay 4 weeks with the company because some coworkers are actually grown ups, it is a breeze to work with them and I can use their experience to be a better professional.
Back to the immature ones: Past me would ignore their sarcastic and passive aggressive comments, which took a toll on me but now I have nothing to lose and I couldn't care less what they think of me, meaning I started to answer back using their same tone and so sarcastically and passive aggressively as them: they yell at me accusing of doing something on purpose, I politely tell them to calm down and to seek help.
Most of my coworkers are women. Since I started answering back and being a jerk, they toned their removediness way down, it is more pleasant to work here now.
I don't understand why my coworkers treat me with some respect now that I'm being a jerk and I hate I have to be a jerk to be treated with a modicum of respect. I don't know if I'm wrong but I think they have an idea of what a man is supposed to be and now that I fit their definition of a man, they leave me alone because they see in me something familiar to them.
I find it sad I have to be an ass to be treated with respect and I hope to find a workplace where I can be myself and work with no drama.
Is this something that's going to happen no matter where I work?
Isn't this just describing standing up for yourself? The best way to deal with bullies and jerks is to push back appropriately. They want easy pickings so they give up pretty quickly when you don't give them what they want.
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I gotta admit, it's way easier to be a moody silent anti-social guy than to be one as a woman. I've seen plenty of the former (am one myself) and it's just shrugged off like "oh he's just like that", but to be a moody antisocial woman is practically a death sentence in an office environment.
I don't have any answers, but you do have my sympathy. I can only say it pays to learn how to force a smile, even if it feels insincere.
I don’t have any answers, but you do have my sympathy.
thank you
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If you just say “hello” back then they are usually satisfied.
sadly, that's not the case where I am. They always want more.
Like I said, try timing it.
I think you'll see the conversations take less time than you think.
I thought I'd never be glib, but after getting a job where I had to deal with the public all day, I soon realized it was just a muscle like any other. the more you do, the more you can do.
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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ml/post/26365993
I'm the quiet, introverted one and I may be on the spectrum. I like to do my job and go home. I hate drama and drama queens and ignore people when they start gossiping. Many extroverts find that offensive and talk behind my back like teenagers do. This stupid drama is the only reason why I quit my job after finding a new one.
I agreed to stay 4 weeks with the company because some coworkers are actually grown ups, it is a breeze to work with them and I can use their experience to be a better professional.
Back to the immature ones: Past me would ignore their sarcastic and passive aggressive comments, which took a toll on me but now I have nothing to lose and I couldn't care less what they think of me, meaning I started to answer back using their same tone and so sarcastically and passive aggressively as them: they yell at me accusing of doing something on purpose, I politely tell them to calm down and to seek help.
Most of my coworkers are women. Since I started answering back and being a jerk, they toned their removediness way down, it is more pleasant to work here now.
I don't understand why my coworkers treat me with some respect now that I'm being a jerk and I hate I have to be a jerk to be treated with a modicum of respect. I don't know if I'm wrong but I think they have an idea of what a man is supposed to be and now that I fit their definition of a man, they leave me alone because they see in me something familiar to them.
I find it sad I have to be an ass to be treated with respect and I hope to find a workplace where I can be myself and work with no drama.
Is this something that's going to happen no matter where I work?
It's an unhealthy environment, and they are subconsciously saying they don't want to be there either. It's just one job in one building in one company in one country. There's many other opportunities out there that are not like Glengarry Glen Ross.
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Okay, first off, fellow introvert here:
The problem you're describing isn't really an introvert-extrovert thing, it's a sociable-antisocial thing. I think your gender dynamics theory has some merit, too, but what you need to understand is that, before, you were acting antisocial.
Ignoring people is antisocial, and moreso when it's people talking about their feelings. To you that was worthless drama but to them it was their emotional experience. Now you're engaging; and yes, with hostility, but at least there's communication and connection.
And in my experience, a lot of more blunt people have trouble telling passive-aggression apart from a more indirect communication style. "Did you email Bob from shipping yet?" is very blunt, to the point of rudeness. "It's important that Shipping is up-to-date on these developments, Bob is their point person" is much less confrontational.
So I'd say it's not being a jerk that's improved your situation, it's matching communication styles with your teammates.
Insightful, thanks. I’ve recemtly gone from a tech position to a more sales oriented one and I’m constantly agitated by the passive language sales and marketing people use. I’ve actually started using AI to understand calls I’m on because I have trouble following all the sales BS.
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Okay, first off, fellow introvert here:
The problem you're describing isn't really an introvert-extrovert thing, it's a sociable-antisocial thing. I think your gender dynamics theory has some merit, too, but what you need to understand is that, before, you were acting antisocial.
Ignoring people is antisocial, and moreso when it's people talking about their feelings. To you that was worthless drama but to them it was their emotional experience. Now you're engaging; and yes, with hostility, but at least there's communication and connection.
And in my experience, a lot of more blunt people have trouble telling passive-aggression apart from a more indirect communication style. "Did you email Bob from shipping yet?" is very blunt, to the point of rudeness. "It's important that Shipping is up-to-date on these developments, Bob is their point person" is much less confrontational.
So I'd say it's not being a jerk that's improved your situation, it's matching communication styles with your teammates.
Unless OP is in a management position, where politics and such BS may as well be in the PD, what on earth is the need to judge your co-workers' personalities?
I've dealt with a lot of different people at work, vastly different people. But as long as we can get the work done, let it be introverted or antisocial, it just doesn't matter? Hell, even if it gets in the way of my job, there are professional ways to move forward. I'm here to get shit done and collect my paychecks, not to have 'emotional experiences' every day with everyone. There are some 4000 people in my company, I can't socialise with everyone, I don't want to socialise with everyone, and I certainly don't care if someone refuses to socialise. 99% of them are not too different from random online strangers to me. Communications usually just go 'Can we do this?' 'Sure.' Then fast forward 3 months they may not even still work here. I socialise with a handful of people I like, and I've made some good friends. Others I absolutely don't care. I expect communications to be productive, not 'emotional'. I'm just an IC, not the company's counsellor.
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I don’t have any answers, but you do have my sympathy.
thank you
See it less like a way to lower people's defenses for your own gain, and more as a way to telegraph your general passivity (passiveness?) to anyone who happens to look in your direction.
I'm bad at it myself, but I know others who use it all the time and marvel at their ability to just fade into the background, which I think is the desired outcome. -
Like I said, try timing it.
I think you'll see the conversations take less time than you think.
I thought I'd never be glib, but after getting a job where I had to deal with the public all day, I soon realized it was just a muscle like any other. the more you do, the more you can do.
I will time it. Thanks
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I will time it. Thanks
It's like doing planks. You swear you've been holding it an hour, but it's really five seconds.
