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Apparently, 12% of Technology Workers Believe that MacOS is based on Linux

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  • jumuta@sh.itjust.worksJ [email protected]

    isn't Linux Unix-like?

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    Yeah, it is it's own free (as in freedom) alternative to it. It's in the name GNU: GNU's Not Unix

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    • mooglemaestro@lemmy.zipM [email protected]

      The windows kernel isn't all that great, particularly in the realm of memory security or scheduling.

      You know, to each their own. Question is really whether windows maintaining a closed source kernel even makes sense from a maintenance burden perspective when it really doesn't give them much money in return. (Most of their money in 2025 comes from cloud services, not operating systems)

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      Rumors (Yes, just rumors, I know) have it that MS is working on a shim to be able to just use the Linux kernel under the hood. That's what spawned WSL. It is a side effect of the work to get the shim between the Win64 userland and Linux kernel. The shim will probably be a temporary thing, until all the ABIs are done.

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      • cosmiccleric@lemmy.worldC [email protected]

        Honestly I don’t believe it would help myself

        It would help if the companies that are training their LLMs honor content creators licenses. If they ignore the law in that, then it would in theory need to be policed.

        In either case, its a quick copy/paste on my part, so /shrug.

        As someone else mentioned, it’s probably people who simply have to correct others when they don’t share the option. Doubt it would be anything like being in support of LLMs, probably the opposite.

        I don't know. It would behoove those who need our content to train their LLMs to intimidate/redirect people away from licensing their content. And I can't imagine regular people getting so caught up to spend so much time on this issue. If you look through my comment history, starting 9-10 months ago, and see how many replies I've gotten, and how posts talk about this issue (https://lemmy.ml/post/15152684), I can't imagine a single link would cause all of that. Theres got to be something more to it than that.

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        I was around when that was an active topic back then so I am aware. It's just I don't trust any or most companies to respect it anyway. Also as someone else suggested, look into automation lol, I thought you had something like an email signature that gets added automatically.

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        • M [email protected]

          Well like it or not, your footer is just a part of your comments, and so people are invited to respond however they wish when you post it on lemmy. If you don't like people making the same replies, you can simply stop posting the same content in every comment.

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          Well like it or not, your footer is just a part of your comments, and so people are invited to respond however they wish when you post it on lemmy.

          That logic doesn't track though, as that content is just a footer, it is not the actual content of what's being discussed in the post, which is what people should be responding to.

          It would be the same as if for every comment I made on a subject it opposed people instead started asking me questions about my username, and not discussing the subject of the post.

          If you don’t like people making the same replies, you can simply stop posting the same content in every comment.

          You really shouldn't be "blaming the victim" on this one.

          Even if what you said previously is true, when a person has been directed to a location where an answer to their question has already been given, and they refuse to do so, but instead continue to badger the person directly, that's detrimental to the conversation being had (by derailing it), as well as I would argue to Lemmy itself. And if done enough times on purpose could be considered harassment.

          People should not be able to dictate what other people put in their comments, and should definitely not harass them continuously over what they have in their comments.

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          • dan@upvote.auD [email protected]

            I saw this exact same comic a while back but it was for Fish Linux.

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            Luigi surrealism

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            • C [email protected]

              Except for the part where decades' worth of software no longer runs on Windows.

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              Hide WINE in the box

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                Hide WINE in the box

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                Boxed WINE? Disgusting

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                • S [email protected]

                  I see no racism in the video posted?

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                  Ahhh give him a break he probably just forgot. If it helps, I'm sure he was thinking something horrible about somebody reasonably nice. /s

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                  • vindictivejudge@lemmy.worldV [email protected]

                    Seriously, Microsoft's absurd level of commitment to backwards compatibility is the entire reason Windows has such staying power. I had to fuck around with things to get a Linux port of a ten year old game running without issues, and it was even the Steam version, but Windows will install and run most twenty year old games right off of the original CD without the user having to do anything at all.

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                    That compatability has been dropping recently, especially for games. Most of my CD games need extra libraries to run now, if they work at all.

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                    • dan@upvote.auD [email protected]

                      For one, some of the coreutils are weird. They aren't BSD coreutils, but they're not GNU coreutils either. They're like an old version of BSD coreutils with some GNU features added.

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                      Huh. That’s interesting. Are the MacOS coreutils incapable or not user-friendly in some way? Or is it more that they’re too different for people who know GNU and BSD coreutils?

                      I also wonder if their coreutils are open source. I quickly tried searching here but couldn’t find an answer https://opensource.apple.com/releases/

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                        No it's not, it's based on BSD, or more specifically Darwin, which is derived from BSD, so Unix-like, but not Linux.

                        Although, oddly, macOS is a certified UNIX OS so it can rightfully sit at the table with the SysV distros, but it's completely removed in its nature from the SysV distros.

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                        Just remember that they didn't certify macOS for any practical reason, Apple was just weaseling out of a lawsuit and figured that paying the certification was cheaper than damages. I think they lost the certification some time later. Newer macOS is not Unix certified.

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                          No it's not, it's based on BSD, or more specifically Darwin, which is derived from BSD, so Unix-like, but not Linux.

                          Although, oddly, macOS is a certified UNIX OS so it can rightfully sit at the table with the SysV distros, but it's completely removed in its nature from the SysV distros.

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                          While I was doing OS-X stuff, I remember Darwin just being a really painfully bad implementation of the apt functionality in Debian based Linuxes... Potaytoe, Potahtoe, Darwin is like burnt house fries, IMO.

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                            In either case, its a quick copy/paste on my part, so /shrug.

                            I was thinking "okay this somewhat unconventional but whatever" until I read this. Use greasemonkey or something for the love of Christ!

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                            I comment on both my phone and PC. As a sofware developer, its not a big deal for me to copy/paste, I do it all the time (even read the O'Reilly book on the subject 😜 ).

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                              I was around when that was an active topic back then so I am aware. It's just I don't trust any or most companies to respect it anyway. Also as someone else suggested, look into automation lol, I thought you had something like an email signature that gets added automatically.

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                              Also as someone else suggested, look into automation lol

                              Just so I don't repeat myself...

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                              • C [email protected]

                                Except for the part where decades' worth of software no longer runs on Windows.

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                                So their only real development effort becomes contributing to the kernel and wine. Ez pz.

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                                • M [email protected]

                                  I don’t think the ToS approach would be invalidated here via your Safe Harbor fork theory.

                                  The ToS could state something like “you give us a worldwide perpetual right to use your content in any way we want including granting this right to whom we designate”

                                  You still own your content but by having an account you agree to the ToS that lets them do what they want.

                                  They just host it and are safe.

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                                  TOS can't change Law, can't strip away rights that you have.

                                  Law always trumps TOS.

                                  In fact, if a company tries to via their TOS they are opening themselves up for big risks/lawsuits, as they are trying to gain ownership of your content, voiding their Safe Harbor law protections.

                                  They can't have it both ways, thats not how the Law works. Either they have the protection, or they own the content.

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                                    They share some inspiration. Same with Linux/Unix confusion.

                                    About 15 minutes in a terminal trying to do Linux'y things are you get completely disillusioned.

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                                    • irelephant@lemm.eeI [email protected]

                                      Well, scrapers probably would ignore it.

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                                      Well, scrapers probably would ignore it.

                                      Maybe, I wouldn't doubt it, if true. We live in the age of "ask for forgiveness and not permission". But the law is the law, and forgiveness may cost them some $$$ down the road. At the very least it leaves them exposed vis-a-vis 'Safe Harbor' laws-wise, when some other powerful entity wants to go to war with them.

                                      In either case, I'm not going to give up my rights just because currently laws are not enforced. Like most things with humans, things move back-and-forth throughout time, and what may be overlooked today may be scrutinized thoroughly tomorrow.

                                      (And for the record, you're the bazillionish person to tell me that. The repetition is real.)

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                                      • penquin@lemm.eeP [email protected]

                                        Lmfao. My fucking lead was arguing with me the other day how Linux is Unix. I just said ok after I saw that it was going nowhere.

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                                        One or two Linux distros were (are?) UNIX certified, though.

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                                          Just remember that they didn't certify macOS for any practical reason, Apple was just weaseling out of a lawsuit and figured that paying the certification was cheaper than damages. I think they lost the certification some time later. Newer macOS is not Unix certified.

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                                          Newer macOS is not Unix certified.

                                          It's UNIX 03 compliant https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single_UNIX_Specification

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