What do you believe that most people of your political creed don't?
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I believe that the vast majority of people are inherently good, and that tribalism and political divisiveness are some of the biggest issues we have to face.
Political differences arise mostly from different values, fears, education (or lack thereof), etc, but most people if you get to know them believe what they do because they believe it is genuinely good. But increasingly politics is focused on vilifying others, instead of trying to understand each other.
What's your political creed?
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I do think stating pronouns at the beginning of conversations is a bit clunky, but in almost every internet interactions (including email),having a reference to someone's pronouns helps both when they're trans and when it's faceless. Like if someone's has a gender neutral name, it can save confusion between a group message or email chain to be able to refer to them with the right pronouns.
I've heard that use case before, and it's fairly reasonable in a faceless contract. Funny enough, my father is a perfect case study, his name is rather unique and one letter off from a common feminine name so he gets misgendered quite frequently as a cis man (plus, to make matters worse, hes very insecure about his masculinity and is sensitive about being called a sissy because his father abused him).
Thinking on his use case, it might help him to have pronouns at work, but according to him people pick up on his pronouns almost immediately because they hear it from a co-worker in reference to him, there is almost never a completely blind email despite it being a rather large city hall. In other words, only people who misgender him are spam. While pronouns wouldn't have stopped the abuse and bullying growing up, the culture of acceptance behind the trend probably would have.
Ironically, he won't do the pronouns because he's a bit conservative leaning. And his alcoholic, homophobic ass certainly didn't do me any favors when I dated a transgender person.
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What's your political creed?
I would describe myself as fairly left, but I'm not the most educated on accurate political terminology
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A 2 year old is a baby, an unborn fetus is a fetus, an extension of the parent. It doesn't have thoughts, feelings, communication, and I would always value the parents life over its own.
If you give away a 2 year old you don't really have to do much, but if you want to give away a 7 week old fetus, you still have to carry it to term, deal with discrimation and discomfort, deal with any medical issues that may arise, go through the extremely painful procedure of giving birth.
Just as you cannot be forced to donate your organs after death to help save countless lives, you cannot be forced to go through so much pain and trouble just to give birth to a life that doesn't exist yet.
Let's put aside 7-week old fetuses, as we both agree it's fine to abort those.
I am pretty sure a 3-month-old fetus does not have thoughts or feelings to any significant extent. I am less sure about an 8 month old fetus; a lot of people who are 8 months pregnant do think their fetus has started to develop a personality. Regardless, I don't see any particular leap in thoughts and feelings from just prior to birth compared with just after birth; at least, I don't see why such a leap should occur at the moment of birth.
I don't think being forced to donate organs is a good metaphor -- at least, I don't intrinsically value post-mortem bodily autonomy. A better metaphor I think would be being forced to do something in order for another person to live. Consider a Saharan desert guide on a 1-month tour for some clients. Once the tour begins, it would be morally reprehensible for the guide to abandon the clients to the elements; they must bring the clients out of the desert safely, whether they want to or not. It should be a bright-line case, because the lives of the clients rely on the guide, and the guide got them into this situation.
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Based on the moral frame work that no person has a right to another person's body parts. We don't take organs from people who haven't explicitly said they're organ donors even after death, because that axiom is held so high. If I accidently hit you with my car, I have no legal obligation to donate a kidney to you to save your life.
I agree that axiom does lead to absolute certainty that fetuses can be aborted at any month. I don't agree with the axiom though. If I sign up to, say, share a kidney with somebody to keep them alive for 8 hours in some kind of bizarre medical procedure, I don't believe it's acceptable for me to shrug and change my mind halfway through. See also the metaphor about the Saharan desert guide in the adjacent thread.
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I dislike criminalization at all because if a doctor at any point has to consider if they can prove that an abortion was medically necessary in a court of law, I find that to be a violation of their ability to care for their patient.
Fair enough, that's unrelated to morality though. I already don't wish to see abortion criminalized.
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It makes me uncomfortable to state my personal pronouns. Years of growing up as a woman on the internet makes me not want to reveal my gender, even when it's obvious (like in person).
Sounds like my sister and a good friend of mine, the latter who prefers playing games as a male character to avoid the attention. I totally get where you're coming from on that.
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why am I a human and not a shrimp? Isn’t that astoundingly improbable?
haha yes i agree with that
my personal (kinda spiritual) take on this is that we are conscious because we are "nature's soldiers" and we're fighting the greater cause of life itself. That is what our consciousness is targeted at and what gives it justification in front of the world.
I apologize, I just realized I got mixed up with a neighbouring debate regarding animal welfare lol. Thus the shrimp.
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It is always moral if the woman doesn't want the baby. Sometimes you don't even find out you're pregnant until it's 7 weeks or so
While I think this is mostly true, I think there are some potentially problematic "edge cases", for example do you think it would be moral for someone to abort all girls until they eventually have a boy?
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Y'all don't need to keep adding things to lgbtq or lgbt+. The q or + takes care of everything
I think this is a better argument that "queer" is the best catch-all phrase. Honestly, come to think of it, if we can phase out LGBT in favour of "queer" entirely, then that gives republicans a harder time to separate the T.
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That is ignorant to what racism actually is. Racism is not just a set of unconnected rude actions towards someone but specifically exists within a cultural context that subjugates certain groups. Racism upholds that oppressive framework and racial bias in statements and beliefs help to encourage that false framing of the world. White men aren’t oppressed in the same way that a racial minority woman is and to say it is racism or sexism all the same is to downplay those specific experiences and cultural norm that holds certain groups and the individuals within those groups down.
The way all of this is discussed and phrased paints a sort picture, in some peoples minds, of white men being evil. The problem is that this capitalist society is too isolatating, individualistic, and distracting for everyone to properly empathize with the struggles of others, so we end up with these people on the defensive. We're left with a portion of the population supporting a proper biggot like trump to now justify they're own existence.
If only we could have all been properly educated.. but its all just distracting from the fact that everyone suffers from an oppressive and exploitative system, some more than others. But its probably about time for a more uniting class conscience form of rhetoric.
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I can think of a good reason but i'm not sure whether you're willing to buy into it.
people naturally don't think of themselves as individuals. people think of themselves as a group/society.
People recognize that under a republican US government, they're significantly more likely to go to mars and have prosperous offspring. while if they're stuck on earth, a recession and decline is waiting for them. they can't verbalize it and probably aren't even rationally aware of it, but i guess they can feel it with their heart.
of course lots of you folks are gonna immediately chime in and say "nooo i saw a youtube video that explained that it's impossible to live on mars", and honestly, you should reconsider why you're so eager to deny a topic that you've clearly not put in as much effort to think about than the people who actually do care about this project. and also, assuming it does work out; what will you do then? be ashamed of your wrong prediction? because if you're not, that means you don't stand to your prediction, and therefore the prediction is worthless. i'm not sure whether i was too direct about this and somebody perceived it as rude, but i'm tired of this feeling of being stuck. we need to think long-term again.
I'm confused, are you saying that most straight white men are not left... Because they all want to go to mars?
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Lol, thanks for proving my point
no, we have another party for that in Belgium. Groen has a leftist program
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Lol, thanks for proving my point
no, we have another party for that in Belgium (Vooruit).
Groen has a leftist program -
The animals we create are morally entitled to the exact same unconditional love and protection as our own children.
Leftists practice tolerance but they're not really willing to go as far as actually compassion, empathy, and mercy.
Are there specific leftist philosophies that imply this? Or is this a bad faith generalisation?
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It would be proportional, but instead of your representation being based on your address it's based on a choice you make.
Think of it this way; you're a computer programmer who works from home in Hayseed, Iowa. Everyone lese in your town is a farmer or working in farm related business. Your voice will never be heard by the Congressperson.
Under the new system, your address would be irrelevant. You'd be voting for a computer person who knows exactly what you need.
That's one example. You might want to be part of the 'teachers' or 'gun owners.'
The original idea comes from a novel, "Double Star" by Robert Heinlein. He doesn't provide an actual constitution, but I do think it's a nice idea to play around with.
This sounds very much like the German electoral system, except in the German system your address and your preferred "group" are relevant. You get two votes, one is for a local representative, the other is just for a party (so you could freely vote for the "gamer" party if it existed), and both votes contribute seats to government.
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While I think this is mostly true, I think there are some potentially problematic "edge cases", for example do you think it would be moral for someone to abort all girls until they eventually have a boy?
I don't like that but I don't think they'd be nice to the girl if it was born either, so maybe it's for the best
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Christianity should be criminalized.
Upvoting because this is definitely a controversial take
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I am very very very left wing, but
Everytime I see someone say this I know without a shadow of a doubt that they're a centrist liberal.
Lmao this thread is full of "very/hard far left" who then present very cold takes or are straight out libs.
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Just wanted to prove that political diversity ain't dead. Remember, don't downvote for disagreements.
Freedom of speech for absolutely everyone, especially people I disagree with and that disagree with me
